View Full Version : KOT : The Perrin La Griffe

04-30-2004, 12:00 AM
I was just looking at some material on

Google ( more than I've actually read of

Fred Perrin ) and his "La Griffe" ( the claw ); quite a versatile instrument for

self defense IMO. I notice BestKnives.com

has it for $62 ( Emerson knives ) the low end would be a CRK&T bear claw ( $29.95 ).

But I've gotta admit, it's portability, compactness, and the ability to retain

the La Griffe using the ring/handle combination make this a feirce competitor

against a determined opponent.

What say the augurers?


Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

04-30-2004, 11:44 AM
Try to reach directly Fred Perrin and go for an original or one of his new stainless !
I present them here:




04-30-2004, 11:47 AM
Why don't you go with a S.P.O.T?

04-30-2004, 03:01 PM
Allen, check out the SPOT. I have a thread on it right now. The blade shape is different but for self defense I don't think it would matter. Take Care!!

"everything else is just a jeep"

04-30-2004, 09:17 PM
Perrin's Griffes in 1075 seem to be a great option. Duane Weikem sells them with both skeletonized and micarta handles.

Go to http://www.edcknives.com/products.html and they're 3/4 of the way down.

Edited by - thombrogan on 4/30/2004 9:21:54 PM

Edited by - thombrogan on 4/30/2004 9:24:18 PM

05-01-2004, 05:50 AM
I like Fred Perrin's views on "real world"
( especially "gay Paris"!?! ) -


Truth is harsher ( in this case ) than "fiction"!


Edit : HoB - I'm actually looking into
the "tac black" PE S.P.O.T. on the "discontinued page" right now!
( Monday ( payday ) is two days away!

Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

Edited by - AllenETreat on 5/1/2004 5:52:22 AM

05-01-2004, 08:00 AM

Always enjoyed the La Griff! The Emerson collaboration is well worth its price and an excellent extension of Mr Perrin's philosophy but I find the SPOT yields a more secure grip and the reverse–S a more aggressive defensive cutting edge and natural angle. I have a stag La Griff from Blade Art that I wouldn’t part with but found the workmanship on it and other samples I’ve handled slightly inconsistent with its price. It’s still a sweet and aggressive necker that I carry now and again.

As Fred’s philosophy of design is imbedded in his street-smart experiences, I enjoy reading almost anything he espouses. He has a no nonsense approach that reflects very succinctly in his bladecrafting art. The La Griff, Street Cleaver, and Street Surgeon are each good examples of this. I think what I view as inconsistencies stem from minor production blemishes on his custom pieces that I expect would be near non-existent on blades of this price. Also most of the items I’ve handled were of 1050 or 1095 high carbon steel. This is not necessarily my choice for a high quality solid custom blade but then I don’t believe Mr. Perrin, as an experienced practitioner of the martial arts and MBC in particular, intends any of his fighting blades as traditional custom work. His D2 folding Billhook on the other hand is a beautiful custom while it serves as an effective self-defense weapon and its quality belies the custom price!!

Maybe what I’m trying to say here is Fred is really under-rated (IMO) but his works (and philosophy of use) would best be served if more of his designs were more available and affordable to more of us. Fred’s originals are great for the discerning collector to own a part of the man’s legacy but I personally would rather see more collaborative work to make the Street Surgeon, and Street Cleaver etc more available as was done with the Street Bowie (Spyderco) and the La Griff (Emerson). I, for one, would not hesitate to buy a production Street Surgeon, Street Cleaver, Large La Griff, or even a Twisty Dagger in VG10 or S30V backed by a quality manufacturer like Spyderco.

OBTW: I think link was meant to be <a href=http://www.realfighting.com/1102/FredPerrinART.html>RealFighting.com</a>

(Nasty little street thugs and weapons there in Gay Paree!)


Thanks for the URL! The 1075 option is definitely good for an original La Griff. The 4-hole Black G-10 shows none of the blemishes my 1050 stag has. and the para-cord wrapped version is a good deal at the price.

<b><i>"The tactical knife is the one you got in your hand when anything goes..."</i> - Fred Perrin</b>

Edited by - java on 5/1/2004 8:16:13 AM

05-01-2004, 08:38 AM
java/gang -

I did a thread about 1yr & a half ago called
"another way to employ the Cricket" ; Fred
Perrin has one take the open Cricket, places
the blade between the index & middle finger(s), now, clench all you fingers together to
make a fist - what protrudes is the Cricket's rev. "s" blade ( PE -or- SE take pick ) which can then be used to strike at
an aggressor like a raptor's talon!

A forumite here that was, in his words, an
"occupational therapist" ( or something that
had to do with the musculo-skeletal system )
didn't think it was "physically possible" to
employ the Cricket like this, and I hadda put up with his insistant e-mails on "how he didn't think it would work"! *urge to KILL dept.*

This technique works better, BTW, with the
rev.&quot;s&quot; MeerKat ( more handle to get a grasp on <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)

Nothing like the &quot;urban&quot; enviroment ( with
muggers, crackheads, gangbangers &amp; other such litter ) to test one's mettle ( and technique )- you also get a feel ( from the cops ) how they often honor the draconian
&quot;knife laws&quot; &quot;in the breach&quot; ( especially if
you're not one of the &quot;litter&quot; they deal with 24/7! <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)

Looks like a &quot;tac black&quot; SPOT Monday ; here's a site w/100ft paracord -


$6.00 in black, desert brown, OD green.

Given the current world situation - desert

( edit : they have white &amp; are out of safety
orange )


Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

Edited by - AllenETreat on 5/1/2004 8:43:46 AM

05-01-2004, 10:16 PM
Dude ~ The hole on S.P.O.T was inspired by Monsieur Perrin.. To simply nail it on the head, check out some of Fred's work on Bladeart.com


"have scars will travel.."

05-02-2004, 10:38 AM
About 1050...
I believe the La Griffe displayed on Blade Art are all 1075.



05-02-2004, 12:26 PM
Okay, gang -

Got a surprise today! Soc.Sec. hit my bank
account &amp; I ordered a &quot;tac black&quot; SPOT!

CKE's gonna oblige with some black paracord
for the SPOT ( rather than pay the $6U.S. for the &quot;desert brown&quot; <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) and some orange/grey for the sc_rebel CF SS PE Cricket ( Ron, I don't like to say : &quot;the check is in the mail..&quot; Too cliche! Payola's
on the horizon w/ some goodies in the envelope for your biz! <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)

Fred Perrin actually responded to an e-mail
I sent him about 2AM unable to sleep ;
when I got on-line at 7:45AM there was his response! Not good english,
but I know what he means! He actually recommends the SPOT.


Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

Edited by - AllenETreat on 5/2/2004 12:28:13 PM

05-02-2004, 09:11 PM
java -

A footnote : whatta ya' think of the
douk-douk folder the French used in

I thought it wicked the way it was
employed against the &quot;colonels&quot; <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>


Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

05-02-2004, 10:45 PM
What? Perrin emailed you? Hey, that's waay too C<img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>L! *heh-heh!*


"have scars will travel.."

05-03-2004, 01:08 AM

Got the e-mail from Fred. Very interesting and a little difficult to read through every now and then. Still think he is seriously under-rated here in the &quot;New World&quot;.

Currently at work so won't comment too much further. Meant to say thanks for the Titanium Trinket that appeared in the mail. Will write later from the house. Cheers all!


05-05-2004, 05:42 AM
Allen, java, i have a spot and it works well..but i bought a custom green micarta lagriffe with a beautyful filework directly from FP (the man is nice to deal with, and a pleasure when he explain his projects). i think his blades are exactly like he is.
i love my lagriffe and i'll never sell it..it's roughness is half of its fascination. and it's effective..oyeah..REALLY effective. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>