OT: Browning Hi-Power in .40?

[DAYWALKER]

Aloha All,



One of my SGT.'s is selling this. Normally these are 9mm and fine ones at that. I had shot this .40 during requalifying a while back and boy was she SMOOOOOTH! Any of you gunnutz out there have an opinion on this one?



I have a G17 for the sake of "simplicity" and the LOW maintenance of the Glock is something i really appreciate living in Hawaii. (My Mossberg 12g. needs SO much attention!!!)



this .40 is a rather rare one to boot...I could live w/ the upkeep but parts wise, I am not sure here. Completely detail stripped, my G17 has a mere 33 pieces and replacement parts are plenty.



Any advice?



Thanks!



God will put you over...if you let Him! John 14: 13,14...try it, it WORKS!

[Zrexxer]

Fredswartz would be one to ask on this; I believe he collects HP's. Personally I'm kind of a Glock fan myself, I have three including two in .40, and an HK USP .40.

This tends to be a whole Ford/Chevy debate; I like .40 myself and for all its detractors, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be standing downrange of one <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --H. L. Mencken

[DAYWALKER]

Mahalo Zrexxer!

OOh, another SMOOTHY, the USP!

My co-worker has one of the G27's...pretty good but that &quot;missing pinky grip&quot;...ugh. I know about the extensions and such but still. Thanks for the reply and support!

God will put you over...if you let Him! John 14: 13,14...try it, it WORKS!

[J Smith]

I know a man who has one and loves it.You should be able to get several thousand rounds through it before even thinking about replacement parts.
John Browning said that the High Power was the gun the 1911 was suppose to be.

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[AllenETreat]

Daywalker -

My brief experience with the FN GP 9mmP
( Hi power ) was that it was more rugged
than most of the firearms I encounter these
days ( mostly heard / read of ). I wonder if
the .40S&amp;W(?) would wear on the mechanism.
But then again, the UK uses them, to my
knowledge still. So the one's in service
would be about 60+ yrs old! Our armed forces
use was mostly in experimentation - and SF's
used the Hi power to a limited extent.

John M. Browning's Hi power with it's <i>falling block </i> mechanism barrel &amp; in your
case in .40S&amp;W would actually be an ideal carry in the event one couldn't find a .45
1911A1 Colt.

AET

Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

[jaxon]

Daywalker,

I would grab it if you can and it's reasonably priced for you. I have a Sig P239 <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> in 40 S&amp;W and a Belgian Hi-Power in 9mm<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>. I bet the combo in one gun would be sweet.<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Jaxon

Sorry, double tapped your name (Ddaywalker).

Live to Ride....Ride to Live

Edited by - jaxon on 5/9/2004 10:26:09 AM

[jbake]

Hey Daywalker,
What you going to use this for? (Carry, home defense, etc.)

The HiPower is a NICE gun, but I wonder...

If you're looking for daily carry piece, it seems like a Glock 27 would be the most practical - Same manual of arms as your G17, tough finish, etc.

I think it's lighter than the HP .40 - it may be easier to conceal in those shorts and hawaiian flowery shirts all you guys seem to wear <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>


But then again, if it's just too good of a deal to pass up, or just something you want (like my AR-15 and my P7-M13 <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> ) then go for it.

[Mancer]

mmmm Daywalker carrys a Glock....
Now I know why I like you soo much, hehe
Ye well I dont have exprience with many brands of firearms but my G21 has never given one days worth of trouble, boy am I gonna miss her when I move to the US <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Gonna have to sell my baby and live without one for 7 years, oh well.
Any of you got indepth knowledge of what the law states in the US of A as far as owning a firearm (as in someone who has immegrated).
As far as I know the only way is to have special permission when you naturalize after 7 years.

Good luck on your purchase Daywalker.

Cheers

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[AllenETreat]

MaNcEr -

As far as I can understand ; most jurisdictions in the U.S. just require
you have <i><b>naturalization </b> </i>
status for a year or so - this might have
changed with the <i><b>Patriot Act </b> </i>
recently passed. As for bringing yer gun ( singular ; not <i>guns </i> ) to town, it
<i>should </i> be alright if you check in with U.S. Immigration &amp; Naturalization,
U.S. Customs &amp; the local authourities.

As long as enough people <i>know </i> MaNcEr
is packin' <i>heat </i> ( even if in his baggage compartment luggage <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> ) I don't see
much of a problem.

AET

Some things are necessary evils, some things are more evil than necessary. John Le Carre

Edited by - AllenETreat on 5/9/2004 1:35:52 PM

[J Smith]

Its not bad.You can buy one from an individual and not have it registered in your name.Or you can send it ahead of you to you girlfreind and have it registered in her name.

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[Mancer]

mmmmmmm I see

Well guess Ill see what happens, the 21 is like carring a scud missile under my shoulder, tis a big firearm, mabey Ill just say bye to her and oneday get myself a lill G30.

thanx for the info though.

much appreciated

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[jbake]

what state you going to mancer?

The reason I ask is that laws vary from state to state. For example, in Alabama, we don't register firearms at all.

check out:
http://www.packing.org.

[Jimd]

Daywalker, the Browning Hi-Power design is one of the most sound pistol designs ever. As such, you could buy that piece with little reservation.

The .40 S&amp;W is a good round; nice balance between power and small size.

I had a few Glocks in .40, but traded them for other pistols because their light weight caused a good bit of muzzle flip. This is not to say that I'm recoil shy, as these pistols were far from painful to shoot. Rather, I could put more 9mm rounds on target more quickly than .40 cal. rounds.

Generally, pistols suck at stopping human beings. I know literally scores of people that have been shot with pistol-caliber rounds that did not kill them, much less stop them from fighting.

One round from most pistols is very unlikely to stop a determined assailant. Since multiple rounds are almost certainly the order of the day, I want to put mine on target as quickly and accurately as possible.

I still own a .40 caliber pistol (a Tactical Smith &amp; Wesson)that I like a lot. My other pistol is a Sig Sauer P228 in 9mm.

Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com

[J Smith]

Thats why I traded in my Glock22 for a Kimber 1911.The muzzle flip on the Glack was very bad.The Hi Power shouldn't be hard to controll.

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[Kaizer]

eh..glockmann99 you could help out here??

Kaizer.

A door half open is a door half closed. But a knife half open is a knife fully closed.

[JBE]

I recently test fired by brother-in-law's Glock 10MM (not sure of model #) and had little trouble with muzzle rise. Found it very easy to shoot. I can see why some of you guys luv your Glocks!

[DAYWALKER]

Aloha All!

Thanks for all the info. yes, that HP .40 was indeed a joy to shoot! It did in fact feel more &quot;tame&quot; in the recoil department when compared to my snappy G17...

Well, if my SGT. was serious about letting her go, I'll let ya guys know.

JBAKE...&quot;flowery shirts?&quot; you're KILLING me man! LOL! The HP's role would be the same as my G17's. Home defense. CAN'T carry concealed or otherwise here as HI has very strict laws regarding this sorta thing.
&quot;Flowery Shirts?!!&quot;

MAHALO everyone!

God will put you over...if you let Him! John 14: 13,14...try it, it WORKS!

[fredswartz]

HI:
Yes I have five HP's, three nines and 2 forties. The forty may be an ounce or two heavier than a nine but appears almost identical. I like the forty and my shooter has Spegel grips and a commander type hammer. The main difference that I can see is the main spring is a lot stiffer which makes reassembly a little more difficult when cleaning. The slide has been beefed up some to handle the .40 round and as far as I know, no one has had any failures. The best source of info on the web is:

http://www.fnhipower.com/modules.php?name=Forums

They have a forum and everything else that you need to know about a HP.

[Qship]

&quot;John Browning said that the High Power was the gun the 1911 was suppose to be.&quot;

The Hi-Power, more properly the P-35, was largely designed by Dieudonne Saive, Browning's assistant, after Browning died in 1926. The P-35 was not approved for manufacture until nine years later, in 1935, which explains the P-35 designation. The pistol is loosely based on Browning's 1923 patent for a pistol named &quot;Grand Rendement&quot;, which is quite different from the P-35.

A good gunsmith can do wonders with a P-35 -- for a price. While I would never suggest over-riding a safety feature, it is said removing the magazine disconnect will often do wonders for the trigger, and may help a released magazine drop more positively.

There are aftermarket safeties that have a more positive feel than the stock version.

Qship

[jbake]

&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Flowery Shirts?!!&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
Hey, I know how it is over there...
I watched Magnum PI...
I saw the Brady Bunch Hawaiian Special...
I was a fan of Hawaii Five O...
I've even been to the Luau at Disney World...
You guys have got it made over there <img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

[Mancer]

Hi guys

Jbake Im headed to UTAH side of the world.
Ive never shot a .40 to be honest, only 9mm and my .45.
I dont know how much extra mussle lift you will get with the G22 .40, although the G21 is a fair bit longer and hevier.

I know my G21 is a joke to shoot, I get twice the lift on a 9mm Beretta than I do on this .45

Any of you guys that have had lift problems fired the Compensated models of the Glocks?

Im curious just how much down force these vents produce to counter the lift.

Cheers

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[Mancer]

Thanx a million for that great site (packing.org), these are the top points for UTAH:

Resident Permit/License: yes
Non-resident Permit/License: yes
Shall-issue Permit/License: yes
Must apply in person: no
Permit/License age minimum: 21
Shall-issue means that the issuing authority has no discretion when to issue Permit/License if the applicant is not disqualified.

&quot;Resident Permit/License: yes &quot;
&quot;Non-resident Permit/License: yes &quot;

Now if Im not been too blonde, this means when Im over there I can apply for a license and own a firearm.

I would love to bring my faithfull G21 with me, but then I see the Glock23's and the Glock 30s and wonder if I should not just sell mine and pickup one there.

You guys get them so cheaply, I see G21's for a mear 509 dollars, that is a joke, my firearm is worth over 12000 Rand brand new.
Now at 6.6 Rand to 1 US $, you can work out for yourself where I will be scoring.

Ill be able to sell my lovely nickel plated baby for around 8000 Rand (+-$1200.00)

Anyways thanx again, things are starting to look up.

Cheers

MaNcEr


It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[fredswartz]

The magazine disconnect removal seems to be a popular thing to do on the HP. I have removed it on my 9MM FM (Argentine issue) shooter as well as doing an amateur hammer/sear job on it. It works flawlessly. I also have a 1995 Capitan and a T-Series gun (which is the Holy Grail of BHP's) and both are unfired and reside in my gunsafe. As you have probably guessed I am a BHP nut and think that they are super guns. I also have a 1991A1 which I accurized but I don't shoot it much any more.

Edited by - fredswartz on 5/10/2004 2:44:44 PM

[jbake]

Mancer,

I would keep your 21 *if* you can bring it in. I was thinking... That thing is going to have different proof / importation marks on it and I don't know what the legalities of bringing it into the country would be.

Does anyone know? Has anyone done this? I know you can buy guns (like old German police HK P7's) on the US market, but I think they have to go through an approved importer. I think they even get new additional markings then. I'm just guessing at this - I don't know for sure.

I'd hate for you to be greeted by BATF or Customs agents at the airport.

Even if you can bring it in, I might go for a different gun for CCW. I personally would just want something that didn't raise any eyebrows or questions. I'm guessing there are som cops who have seen enough Glocks and might realize yours was marked differently. It wouldn't be that you were doing anything wrong, but it might delay you if you were ever checked out.

OK, just edited this because I just did the math. I would sell it over there and get something new here <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Edited by - jbake on 5/10/2004 3:01:28 PM

[Zrexxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:<hr height=1 noshade><i>Thanx a million for that great site (packing.org), these are the top points for UTAH:
Resident Permit/License: yes
Non-resident Permit/License: yes </i> <hr height=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2>

What you are quoting is from the Utah state administrative code regarding concealed carry and has nothing to do with whether you are permitted to own a firearm under United States federal law (The Gun Control Act of 1968)

The US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms issued this interpretation to Federal Firearms Licensees regarding sales to aliens:
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"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --H. L. Mencken

[Mancer]

Hey guys, heres my G21, well looks like I wont be bringing it over nor will I ever own one again, myself and my fiance discussed it and she &quot;does not like firearms&quot; as she says, so I guess I wont be owning a glock or pretty much any firearm again.

Oh well was a plesure while I had this superb piece of hardware.

Cheers

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[J Smith]

This is just me but I feel strongly enough at about the right to own firearms that I would not marry someone who said I could not have any.
May have been wrong on the Browning quote but I am 99% sure I heard that on a doc. about him.
BTW dos everyone know that when Sal replies here that you are interacting with a man that will go down in history as the John Browning of the knife world?

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[jbake]

OK, I know she reads the forum... So please don't take any offense, future Mrs. Mancer <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

It seems to me that she may be having a knee jerk reaction. There are a lot of folks over here that believe a gun is an evil weapon of destruction that can do no good.
&quot;It's the criminals stupid&quot;.

I know that they are a tool. They can save your life, protect those that you care about, and give you great enjoyment at the range.

I'm a little surprised that she dislikes guns, but seems to like sharp point things.

Some folks don't like to have them around the house because of kids. I have two little ones myself. ALL of my firearms are locked up. I keep two in quick access safes. these require a keycode to be entered before they open.

Talk to her and make certain she understands what they mean to you and why and try to get to the bottom of her feelings.

My wife was not a great fan of them either. However, she trusts me and knows how much I enjoy them - she'll even go to the range with me ever y once in a while. Actually, I think she's a better shot than I am with her Glock 19.

And finally, there are a lot of other women in Utah <img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

[J Smith]

Please don't take my post the wrong way,I don't mean to give any offense at all.Its just my feelings on the matter.

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[Mancer]

Na guys, not taken wrong at all.
I can understand why, she had a real bad experience when she was younger with a firearm, and thus they make her real nervous.

She is only this way really toward handguns as this was the weapon during this event.
I have been looking at rifles, always wanted one infact.
One I like the look of but have no info on is the Beretta Cx4Storm Carbine (in either .40 or .45)

Any of you have experiece with these rifles?

Cheers

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[jaxon]

I agree with jbake. I'm sure she's a reasonable gal and would trust your judgement and responsibility. My wife of almost 40 years at first did not like guns since they were not a factor in her household. She would leave the room whenever I handled my first LEO hand down, a S&amp;W Model 10. Had to keep it safe 'cause of the two boys but never a problem. And one of the boys is now also an enthusiast. Now the collection numbers probably three dozen handguns, rifles, and shotguns of all kinds and calibers, along with all the ammo, components and loading stuff, and she doesn't bat an eye when they are around.

Cheers

Jaxon

Live to Ride....Ride to Live

[Jimd]

Any of you guys that have had lift problems fired the Compensated models of the Glocks?

Im curious just how much down force these vents produce to counter the lift.

Cheers

MaNcEr &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I used to have a compensated Glock 23 in .40 caliber. I can say that the ports definitely make a difference in the recoil; the compensated models do recoil considerably less than the standard models.

I was used to my 23C, and borrowed a friend's standard 23 to shoot in a GSSF match. Wow! What a surprise!


Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com

[Mancer]

Cool, thanx for the info guys.

Now just to find someone thats handled a Cx4 Storm.

Cheers

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[DAYWALKER]

Ahhh...

Now I definitely know why we &quot;hit it off&quot; Mancer...

CX40 Storm...drool.......................!

Take care of yourself and your &quot;other 1/2!&quot;

God will put you over...if you let Him! John 14: 13,14...try it, it WORKS!

[Mancer]

Hey Daywalker.

Ye the storm looks great, Im planning on getting a Cx4 storm most likely in .45 with the top accesory rail with a good red dot scope, and the bottom rail with one of the M6 lighting systems.

Cant wait to give one a try out, at between 500-700 dollars they not to pricey if you ask me, and the reviews Ive read make this firearm even more difficult to resist.

Take care

MaNcEr

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[Civilian]

I own a Glock 21C. It is the compensated 45 caliver model. Recoil is a joke with it I can easily keep all 16 rounds on a man sized target with at least 13 to 14 center mass and the other 2 to 3 usally goint to the head. Yes 16 rounds, I have 3 clips with extensions on them. It's real nice to have 46 rounds of 45 caliber Black Talon ready to go downrange. I have put well over a thousand rounds through these magazines with absolutly no problem at all! I've even put several 45Super rounds through it. I also find an M3 Tac. Ilm. helps a little too.

Hey Mancer I thought the G18 was the glock of choice &quot;down there&quot;?
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MAT<img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>TER

[Mancer]

Ye I got my dream team in my mind.
Handgun - Glock 30
Rifle - Beretta Cx4 Carbine (.45)
Shotgun - Sergu Super Shorty (20 Gauge)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *drroooool*

Cheers

MaNcer

It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum

[Burrellb]

Give me 45cal, it still is a favorite to many including me.

I'd rather be tried by 12, than carried by 6

[Zrexxer]

Jim, I have a compensated model 22. Make me an offer. lol. It may help the recoil some, but it has the most godawful muzzle blast of any handgun I've ever owned. I prefer my regular model 22.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --H. L. Mencken

[SURLY]

Hey DAYWALKER,
EDC on the 40 Locked and Cocked? One Hot in the chamber? I own an HK-SoCom .45 but like my Strider to Heavy Duty for EDC,For EDC my choice just like my Endura is a Sig 380 stainless,No rust or fuss.<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Last count 5 HK's .3 colts, 3 Sigs, 1 Ruger,2 glocks.
The way things are going with gun control I think any fine handgun is a good investment.I've never sold one for less than what I paid for it.
That would be a good topic! Match a &lt;img src=&quot;spyder.gif&quot; width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0&gt; to carry with what handgun..<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> oh yeah 1 Berretta...RKBA
edited for speeling.sorry
Be @ Peace &quot;Si vis pacem, para bellum&quot; Psalm 133:1

Edited by - SURLY on 5/19/2004 9:00:34 PM