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Jimmy_Dean
09-13-2004, 12:00 AM
Ok it's confession time: Some time ago, I bought a non-spyderco knife, with a S30V blade. While I certainly can understand why so many people praise that steel, I find that I don't get very good results when I want to touch it up on the whites of the Sharpmaker. I have to go through the 4 steps when I want to resharpen it to a razor edge, which I don't have to do with my Endura. Does Spyderco's S30V have the same problem and if it does, how do you touch it up after some light, daily use? I appreciate the help even though I'm a traitor.



-Dean

JDEE
09-13-2004, 09:15 PM
I have a Native in S30V and have no problems with the Sharpmaker although I haven't had to put it on the coarse rods. I have only used the corners of the whites. For daily touchups I normally use my Razor Edge Folding Steel which is smooth. You don't mention what knife or grind you have. It could be it has been heat-treated higher than Spydies.

Jdee

DAYWALKER
09-13-2004, 09:16 PM
LOL! Aloha Jimmy_Dean!

You are not a traitor! LOL! I have touched up an S30V &quot;Non <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>&quot; succesfully using my Pro-File set... I have not needed to use the med.grit stones either.

I'm not sure on <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>'s S30V yet, as I have yet to resharpen it! LOL! I think my success has been due to &quot;freehanding&quot; with my Pro-File set...

Again, you're not a traitor having a non<img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> S30V...if you are, than I feel like a &quot;snake&quot; for having my S30V...LOL!

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J Smith
09-13-2004, 09:31 PM
IMO its all in the edge bevel.Most other companies that use S30V grind the edge to 40 degrees or more.Spyderco uses a thiner edge on S30V.I belive this is why Spydercos S30V blades out preform the others and are easier to maintain.

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Jimmy_Dean
09-13-2004, 09:35 PM
Let's just say it's a flat grind heat treated by Paul Bos to RC 59-60 I believe. So it's quite hard, as you can imagine. I'll try with the corner of the whites only next time. Anyone know the RC on Spyderco's S30V?
-Dean

vampyrewolf
09-13-2004, 10:25 PM
I use the whites and my strop on the bm921s in my rotation... keep it shaving sharp with a light touchup now and then.

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Mr Blonde
09-14-2004, 12:53 AM
No problems with sharpening s30v spydies here. I ' blame' the thin edge bevel for easy maintenance.

Wouter

Simple Man
09-14-2004, 07:19 AM
I have carried my S30V Millie for around a year and a half now and I sharpen/touch it up every 2-3 weeks, sometimes longer if I let it slide. I get good results using just the whites, but I can get an incredible, free standing-hair popping edge if I take the time and go carefully through the four steps, 20-30 strokes per step. I think the extra little effort is usually worth it.

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thombrogan
09-14-2004, 07:39 AM
Jimmy_Dean,

You're not a 'traitor' at all. Perish the thought! You're using a Spyderco Sharpmaker, after all!

You may want to look at how your S30V is dulling. If it's dulling due to edge wear or the edge rolling or crumpling, then the white hones are all you need for a long time (eventually, even with that sort of dulling, the steel will be too fatigues from just using the white hones and a complete resharpening will be needed). If the edge is dulling because it's chipping, you need to resharpen it from step 1 like you're currently doing.

Try using a thicker angle to sharpen your knife and see if the edge doesn't last longer.

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Jimd
09-14-2004, 08:04 PM
Jimmy Dean....heat treat by Paul Bos (the master of the art), along with a flat grind. Hmmmm...is it a Strider or a Buck Strider, just out of curiosity?

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Jimmy_Dean
09-14-2004, 09:18 PM
Jim:
SnG Gen 5 drop point

Good guess

Jimd
09-15-2004, 03:12 PM
Jimmy Dean Posted: Jim:
SnG Gen 5 drop point

Good guess
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Sweet, eh? I have a gen. 5 as well. GREAT knife!! They have the generation 6 out now, but I'm not sure it's any massive improvement over the 5.

It's such a darn useful knife, with it's 3.5&quot; drop point blade. Stronger than heck, too! I love the flamed ti look, too. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>


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Jimd
09-15-2004, 03:15 PM
Oh, Jimmy Dean, almost forgot...
I sharpen my SnG with an EZ Lap small diamond stone that has a rough surface on one side, and a smooth (fine) surface on the other side. The stone only cost about $5 at WalMart, but it works really nice for the SnG. I have to say, though, that it is a bit more difficult to sharpen than some of my other knives, so it's likely the RC.

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Jimmy_Dean
09-15-2004, 04:44 PM
Thanks Jim, I still beleve it's hardly the place to discuss it but yeah, that's quite a knife. Thought I emailed you a few months ago to informed you I had one ordered? Maybe that's why I never got a reply <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

-Dean

Jimd
09-15-2004, 07:07 PM
Dean, I don&quot;t recall an email from you; maybe it got crossed up somewhere.

Yes, the SnG is a phenomenal knife, which is an understatement. In addition, their customer service is the best I've ever experienced. Mick and Duane are certainly colorful individuals.

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Jimmy_Dean
09-18-2004, 07:14 AM
Of course, this thread is as dead as can be now but I thought I'd let you know I've solved my problem about S30V. I bought a eze-lap diamond rod and sharpen freehand with it. While it doesn't give the shaving edge I came to love from he Sharpmaker, it gives my knife a rather rough edge that doesn't slice paper too good but will bite agressively in cardboard and stuff, which is more useful at work for now. There's not sign of fading at the moment and it looks like it's going to cut forever. Thanks for the help guys.

-Dean

sal
09-18-2004, 07:41 AM
Hi JD, Spyderco maintains a very thin edge angle prior to sharpening. It is a close tolerance issue (higher cost). Your problem may be the thickness of the edge prior to sharpening, or what is often called the &quot;shoulder&quot; of the edge.

Try a 30 degree edge. If you have one, use a 10X - 20X lupe to inspect the edge during the sharpening process. The edge-u-cation alone is worth the effort.

sal

CKE
09-18-2004, 07:56 AM
I knew you were talking about your Strider. I have the DP Gen 5 as well and have had not problems on the 204. Patience and I start with the grays. About 10 minutes and bam Spyderco Sharp...uh...Strider Sharp<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Take Care!!!

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Jimmy_Dean
09-18-2004, 03:46 PM
Thanks Sal, I'll try that. In fact, I tried to sharpen it at a 30deg. angle with the 204 and it seems the edge was at something like 32 degree(or just over the 204 preset angle) and it takes forever to take the shoulder off that S30V thing.

Glad you're not mad by the way. It's really not because I'm not satisfied with Spyderco by any stretch of the imagination. As a knife enthousiast, I had to try one....but I bet you know what I'm talking about, and you too CKE.

You're a good man, and thanks for the edge-u-cation, as you call it.

-Dean

Jimd
09-18-2004, 09:12 PM
I've noticed that the S30V seems to be an interesting metal animal. You can strop it to a fairly fine edge that cuts paper and the like very well.

It can also be roughly sharpened, as Jimmy Dean pointed out, to bite into materials.

I've also heard, from those that inspect their S30V with a magnifying glass, that it sometimes experiences micro-chipping of the edge, which seems to give it a sort of &quot;serrated&quot; quality.

It definitely IS tough steel, to be certain.

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