Culling time - need opinions [Archive]

sal

05-08-2001, 12:00 AM

The time has come for Spyderco to start making decisions as to what will remain in the line for 2002 and w2hat will be retired to make room for new models.

Below, the models are listed. Please select 10 for retirement.

1. Police Model Stainless handle

2. Police Model G10 handle

3. Harpy Stainless handle

4. Merlin FRN handle

5. Endura Stainless handle

6. Endura FRN handle

7. Endura Trainer (red FRN)

8. Delica stainless handle

9. Delica FRN handle

10. Delica trainer (red FRN)

11. CoPilot

12. Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle

13. Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle

14. Catcherman FRN handle

15. Rescue black or orangve FRN handle

16. Rescue Jr. black or orange FRN handle

17. Snap it

18. Remote Release

19. Dragonfly stainless handle

20. Dragonfly FRN handle

21. Cricket black FRN handle

22. Ladybug FRN handle (black,red,blue)

23. Ladybug II FRN handle (sheepfoot)

24. Military G10 handle

25. Dyad Micarta handle

26. Dyad jr FRN handle

27. Native stainless handle

28. Native black FRN handle

29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle

30. Calypso Jr. black FRN handle

31. Navigator

32. Viele

33. Bob Lum Tanto

34. Tim Wegner

35. Peter Herbst

36. Bob Terzuola Starmate

37. Tim Zowada

38. D'Holder Toad

39. JD Smith

40. Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria

41. Massad Ayoob

42. James Keating Chinook

43. Bob Lum Chinese Folder

44. Frank Centofante Vesuvious

45. Eduard Bradichansky Spydercard

46. Bill Moran FB trailing point

47. Bill Moran FB drop point

48. Bram Frank Gunting

49. Bram Frank Gunting trainer

50. Police model necklace

51. Police model tie clip

Thank you.

sal

Brian_Turner

05-08-2001, 11:52 AM

1. JD Smith
2. Tim Zowada
3. Native Stainless Steel
4. Merlin FRN
5. Police Tie Clip
6. Police Necklace
7. Pro Grip FRN/Kraton
8. Snapit
9. Rescue Jr.
10. Dragonfly FRN

Alan

05-08-2001, 11:54 AM

Sal,

Here are my 10 to be culled:

1. Police Model Stainless handle

Rationale: Available in G10 which has better gripping properties.

5. Endura Stainless handle

Rationale: Stainless handles seem most appropriate for engraving, gifts, etc. and for that I would think knives smaller than the Endura are popular (i.e. Dragonfly, Delica).

11. CoPilot

Rationale: Navigator fills a similar niche (better IMHO).

27. Native stainless handle

Rationale: same as for Endura stainless. FRN Native is awesome, eliminate SS.

29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle

Rationale: Same as for eliminating Native and Endura SS.

36. Bob Terzuola Starmate

Rationale: Great knife but time to rotate it out to make room for more.

39. JD Smith

Rationale: Same as for Starmate.

46. Bill Moran FB trailing point

Rationale: Same as for Starmate & JD Smith. Keep the newer Moran drop point.

50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip

Rationale: Jewelry items that are a bit too bourgeois.

Thanks for asking! -Alan

Tom Percy

05-08-2001, 11:57 AM

You ask a toughie ..... how do you have the nerve to cancel so many lives of so many great knives. I guess the trick is to keep the best of the best.

Well, here's my cut at it, as difficult as it is (not in any particular order);
Police G10
CoPolit
Progrip stainless
Catcherman
Rescue Jr.
Ladybug II
Dyad Micarta
Dyad FRN
Tim Zowanda
Eduar Bradichansky Shabara

stu

05-08-2001, 12:08 PM

Sal,

#12 Pro Girp Stainless/kraton handle
#13 Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
#19 Dragonfly stainless handle
#20 Dragonfly FRN handle
#31 Navigator
#37 Tim Zowada
#38 D'Holder Toad
#39 J.D. Smith
#40 Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria
#51 Police model tie clip

This is very difficult.

Sincerely,

stu

Carlos

05-08-2001, 01:51 PM

1. Police G10 (the ss version sells better, and the G10 serves the same niche as the Military)

2. Endura 2 (roughly the same niche as the ss Police)

3. Delica 2 (will be replaced by aluminum and Ti "Salsas&quot<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

4. Co-Pilot (Navigator is a more advanced design)

5. Dragonfly 2 (Almite Navigator fills the metal handle 2" blade niche, keep the FRN version)

6. Tim Zowda

7. Toad

8. JD Smith (i've heard that this doesn't sell well)

9. Police necklace

10. Police tie-clip

11. ss Pro-grip

12. Wegner (It isn't selling. Perhaps replace with new Wegner 2 and different marketing?)

charlie

05-08-2001, 02:15 PM

Difficult choices, but here is my list of 10 candidates:
11. CoPilot
12. ProGrip ss
13. ProGrip frn
31. Navigator
35. Peter Herbst
39. JD Smith
46. Bill Moran trailing pt.
47. Bill Moran drop pt.
50. Police Necklace
51. Police Tie Clip

05-08-2001, 02:28 PM

-Endura Stainless handle
-one of the pro grips
-snap it
-one of the dragonflys
-co pilot
-Herbst
-Toad
-tie clip
-one of the rescues
-if a plainedge Zowada w/slightly larger hole won't be introduced, I say retract it completely from current production.

Thanks for asking,
Ken

shootist16

05-08-2001, 02:53 PM

This is incredibly hard for me to say, but the best thing to do for the company would be to let the market decide. I would cut the models that are not selling well or that are not meeting acceptable profits. No matter what gets cut some people won't be happy. However, the ultimate goal should be to maximize profitability while producing a great product.
If I had to pick from this list the following 10 would get cut:

SS Police (g-10 version should be replacement)
Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
Snap it
Remote Release
Navigator
Tim Zowada
D'Holder Toad
JD Smith
Eduard Bradichansky Shabaria
Eduard Bradichansky Spydecard

I will also agree with others who say the Mouse should be in the regular lineup and replace the toad and navigator.

I love the Wegner, but could live without it if it is replaced with the Wegner II.

Dennis Bible

jyork

05-08-2001, 03:41 PM

I agree these are tough choices, but here are mine in no particular order.
Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
Catcherman FRN handle
Snap it
Remote Release
Bill Moran FB trailing point
Bill Moran FB drop point
Police model necklace
Police model tie clip
Peter Herbst
CoPilot

cutler34

05-08-2001, 04:06 PM

Here's my thoughts and why.
#50 Police model necklace.
Make way for a new miniature Spyderco model each year or different inlays.

#51 police tie clip.Same reasons as above.

#1 Police model stainless steel.
I prefer G10 for grip.

#17 Snap it.
The remote release is a much better hook type retainer.Maybe with a sheepsfoot blade.

#16 Rescue junior.
The rescue fills the bill here.

#25 Dyad micarta
#26 Dyad jnr FRN

#38 Toad.
Make the mouse a regular line.Hopefully reduce the price also.

#40 Shabaria.
Time for new models

#39 JD smith.
Same as above.

Regards
Ricki
info@outdooredge.com.au
Spyderco Club Member

vampyrewolf

05-08-2001, 04:29 PM

1. Police Model Stainless handle
2. Endura Stainless handle
3. CoPilot
4. Remote Release
5. Dragonfly FRN handle
7. Native stainless handle
8. Calypso Jr. stainless handle
9. Peter Herbst
10. Tim Zowada

Edited by - vampyrewolf on 8/6/2001 2:07:20 PM

thorin hammer

05-08-2001, 04:34 PM

n order.

1. Police Model Stainless handle
10. Delica trainer (red FRN)
11. CoPilot
12. Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle
26. Dyad jr FRN handle
29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle
34. Tim Wegner
46. Bill Moran FB trailing point
47. Bill Moran FB drop point
Make new fixed blade models.
50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip

It is so hard to make this decision when you want them all. Is there any hope of ever bringing any of the discontinued models back?

Ehh, supposed to be Thorin... : )

Philip357

05-08-2001, 04:46 PM

Sal,
Really tough !
My personal choice, if you can call it that ... (I know some will certainly not agree)
#12 Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle
#13 Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
#18 Remote release
#27 Stainless Native
#32 Viele
#37 Tim Zowada
#38 D'Holder Toad
#39 J.D. Smith
#48 & 49 Gunting & trainer (sorry fans)
Philip

gadfly

05-08-2001, 04:52 PM

The two things I would surely get rid of are the jewelry pieces:
#50 - Police Model Necklace
#51 - Police Model Tie Clip
Spydie Knives are great tools - it's what you do best.

I hate voting against any Spdie's, but I'll give you a couple:
#1 - Police Stainless (G-10 is better)
#29 - Calypso Jr Stainless

Four knives that should remain in the Spydie line are as follows:
#24 - Military - My personal favorite
#36 - Starmate - Such a good looking knife
#48 - Gunting - Way too interesting
#49 - Gunting trainer - Needed for training with the Gunting.

I'm glad the final isn't mine!

One way or the other, you pay for your tools!

br44

05-08-2001, 07:20 PM

Sorry, but I came up with 12. #s 1,3,8,10,13,16,25,27,31,38,39,40

The Stare

05-08-2001, 07:26 PM

My suggestions:
1. Police Model Stainless handle
2. Harpy Stainless handle
3. Endura Stainless handle
4. Delica stainless handle
5. CoPilot
6. Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle
7. Peter Herbst
8. Tim Zowada
9. D'Holder Toad
10. Police model tie clip

Or, for the most part, believe all stainless handles could go. Too damn slippery & heavy.

Stare

anyman

05-08-2001, 07:59 PM

Let's take a shot at this

12-progrip
13-progrip
14-catcherman
32-Viele
35-Herbst
40-Shabaria
46-Moran
47-Moran
50-necklace
51-tie clip

tortoise

05-08-2001, 09:17 PM

1. Merlin FRN
2. Rescue Jr.
3. Snap-It
4. Native stainless handle
5. Ayoob
6. Herbst
7. Shabaria
8. Dyad Jr.
9. Police model necklace
10. Police model tie-clip

Ewok

05-08-2001, 11:30 PM

I'd have to go along with dumping the large stainless steel models. Ditto the jewelry. Also the Starmate. I'm glad I have mine, but you have more ergonomic models in that size.

I'd give the Shabaria a little more time, but what do I know? <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> I'd keep the trainers, and work up a 'PC' marketing campaign aimed at self-defense for women. Sell a package of Delica knife, trainer, and video tape. Wouldn't that be something if it took off?

I'd guess that the Bob Lum Tanto isn't a perennial best seller.

The Catcherman has never appealed to me, but neither has fishing. Ditto the Toad, and, um, toading. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

I'd keep the Merlin FRN, especially plain edge, since I use one very often for letters and packages.

I think the Vesuvious could sell well, but I'm not sure what the production version is.

I'd keep one of the Moran fixed-blade models, at least for a year.

WRT the Gunting series, Bram indicates that there are a lot of LEA interested in it. That could translate to a lot of units sold....

phadthai

05-08-2001, 11:35 PM

snap it
progrip ss kraton
dyad micarta
tim zowada
bill moran both models
police jewelry
calypso both
jd smith
centofante

thanks for asking,
please do not mess with the G10 police & G10 military they are my favorite spydies..

dePaul

05-09-2001, 12:15 AM

3 Harpy, Stainless
5 Endura, Stainless
35 Peter Herbst
37 Tim Zowada
40 E B Shabaria
41 Massad Ayoob
48 B F Gunting
49 B F Gunting Trainer
50 Police Necklace
51 Police Tie Clip

mrb

05-09-2001, 12:19 AM

Here's my hit list - FWIW.

4. Merlin FRN handle
12. Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle
14. Catcherman FRN handle
17. Snap it
21. Cricket black FRN handle
25. Dyad Micarta handle
32. Viele
36. Bob Terzuola Starmate
50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip

mrb

05-09-2001, 12:23 AM

sam the man..

05-09-2001, 02:03 AM

1. Police Model Stainless handle
11. CoPilot
12. Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle
13. Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
35. Peter Herbst
39. JD Smith
40. Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria
50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip
26. Dyad jr FRN handle

Sam

have spydies will travel

Clay Kesting

05-09-2001, 04:58 AM

I suppose I better add my AUS$0.0384986. The problem with this sort of question is that knives which appeal to internet knife aficianados are not necessarily those that do well in the market place. For that reason I think it is important to keep all the stainless versions as I have a feeling that they are popular with the general ELU. Anyway here's my list:

Police G10-I don't think it has proved as popular as the stainless model

Copilot-see Navigator

Remote Release-the Snap-It fills the niche

Dyad-too expensive to be generally accepted

Navigator-I love it but the Meerkat and slip-joint will fill the niche

Peter Herbst

Tim Zowada

JD Smith

Necklace

Tie Clip

Of course I could be completely wrong <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.

Clay

Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.

Edited by - Clay Kesting on 5/9/2001 5:01:45 AM

golok

05-09-2001, 07:55 AM

Spydercard
Tie-clip
Snap-It
Remote Release
Toad
Police necklace
Gunting trainer
Delica trainer
Dragonfly FRN Handle
Ladybug II FRN Handle

Glenn

05-09-2001, 08:46 AM

I will do the easy ones first.

19. Dragonfly stainless handle
25. Dyad Micarta handle
29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle
34. Tim Wegner
37. Tim Zowada
38. D'Holder Toad
39. JD Smith
51. Police model tie clip

It is probably time to retire
the Shabaria but I have difficulty taking money from a widow. For this reason I don't think the Shabaria and the Spydercard should be retired in the same year.

It is also probably time to retire the Starmate. I love mine and it is the only knife I carried for most of a year. Unfortunately I moved on to other Spyderco's and I think most people have too.

I think the Ayoob should be given another year. It hasn't had a lot of press and it might take off in time.

I think it is way too early to talk about retiring the Gunting and its trainer. The Gunting movement has just started. I think a lot of law enforcement agencies are going to end up adopting the Gunting.

The Delica and Endura trainers should be given more time too. I have become real attached to my Gunting trainer and would like to see more trainers not less.

- Glenn

Jazzman

05-09-2001, 08:59 AM

In no particular order:
Snap it
Zowada
Viele
SS Calypso
Micarta Dyad
FRN Dyad Jr
Police Jewelry
Smith
Shabaria
-Keep the Toad, it's one of the best knives in the line!
Matt...

Edited by - Jazzman on 5/9/2001 11:58:09 AM

Tom Percy

05-09-2001, 10:36 AM

This may be a bit pre-mature, but I was curious, so, I took a few minutes and tabulated the results after 28 replies to this thread;
Votes Model
24 Police model tie clip
18 Police model necklace
14 Pro Grip Stainless/kraton handle
13 JD Smith
13 Tim Zowada
12 Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria
11 CoPilot
11 Snap it
9 Peter Herbst
9 Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
8 Dyad jr FRN handle
8 Dyad Micarta handle
7 Bill Moran FB trailing point
7 Calypso Jr stainless handle
7 Catcherman FRN handle
7 Police Model Stainless handle
6 Bill Moran FB drop point
6 D'Holder Toad
6 Native stainless handle
6 Remote Release
6 Rescue Jr black or orange FRN handle
6 Viele
5 Endura Stainless handle
5 Merlin FRN handle
4 Dragonfly FRN handle
4 Dragonfly stainless handle
4 Navigator
3 Bob Terzuola Starmate
3 Bram Frank Gunting trainer
3 Massad Ayoob
3 Police Model G10 handle
3 Tim Wegner
2 Bram Frank Gunting
2 Cricket black FRN handle
2 Delica stainless handle
2 Delica trainer (red FRN)
2 Eduard Bradichansky Spydercard
2 Harpy Stainless handle
2 Ladybug II FRN handle (sheepfoot)
1 Calypso Jr black FRN handle
1 Delica FRN handle
1 Frank Centofante Vesuvious
Bob Lum Chinese Folder
Bob Lum Tanto
Endura FRN handle
Endura Trainer (red FRN)
James Keating Chinook
Ladybug FRN handle (black,red,blue)
Military G10 handle
Native black FRN handle
Rescue black or orangve FRN handle

It will be interesting to see the end result when all the totals are in.

Edited by - Tom Percy on 5/9/2001 10:37:52 AM

RLR

05-09-2001, 10:38 AM

Because I HAVE to pick:

13. Progrip FRN - better alternatives in current lineup
18. Remote Release - Snap-It for that limited market
35. Herbst - never liked it
50. Necklace - no jewelry for me
51. Tie Clip - the tie will be dead soon, and the tip clip should have been long ago
7. & 10. Delica/Endura Trainers - possibly too "specialized" for the Delica/Endura market (I could be wrong there...)
23. Ladybug Sheepsfoot - never saw the use of the teeth without usable point in such a small size
25. Lg Dyad Micarta - too expensive and uncomfortable (but bring back the micarta Dyad JR!!!)
37. Zowada - never liked it either

Just opinions...

knifenerd

05-09-2001, 12:05 PM

No particular order:

1. Police G-10
2. Co-Pilot
3. Snap it
4. Ladybug II FRN
5. Police model necklace
6. Police model tie clip
7. Cricket black FRN
8. Native stainless
9. Dyad Junior FRN
10. Rescue Jr. FRN

Dick

chinook

05-09-2001, 12:27 PM

Since I have no access to sales numbers on these models, which definitely must be a factor, I will only relate my preferences and models I have bought and ones I would buy again or will be buying for myself or as gifts.

18. Remote Release--- I have one or rather my wife has it. I think the effective length of the grip appeals to her. She will not use a knife where her hand contacts any part of the blade. I prefer this arrangement of snap over the Snapit, doesn't interfere with the blade at all.

3. Harpy Stainless handle--- I have the G10 model which I use pretty hard. I think the grip of the G10 is more secure.

19. Dragonfly stainless handle----
20. Dragonfly FRN handle----
I have the carbon fiber Dragonfly which is nice to look at, butt slippery. A lot of knife for the size butt the Calypso Jr is more competent and fits my hand better.

21. Cricket black FRN handle--- I got a bubblegum pink one for my daughter. Really didn't seem like a Spyderco quality item butt she likes its cute factor.

24. Military G10 handle--- Don't think this one should be on the list. I have a serrated user and the Forum 2000 model. I would definitely buy another if I lost my user.

26. Dyad jr FRN handle --- I bought the micarta Dyad Jr and again my wife appropiated it. Likes its versatilty. I don't need it myself as I usually am carrying two knives, serrated and plain

27. Native stainless handle---
28. Native black FRN handle---
I have two blue Natives. I like them for their heft and design butt don't use them. I find the Calypso Jr fills this size for me best. I think the only reason to choose the stainless handle would be for engraving it as a gift.

29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle---
30. Calypso Jr. black FRN handle---
I have two micarta models and recently misplaced/lost my fishscale one. I will definitely replace the LW and if the price is right I'll probably pick up another micarta plainedge. Again the only reason for the SS would be for engraving.

32. Viele--- My favorite Spydie, for looks and feel, I have two original and a new VG10 and will probably pick up another new model.

34. Tim Wegner--- A "strong-like-bull" knife. I have one and its smaller version. I would buy an updated version.

36. Bob Terzuola Starmate--- I own one butt for some reason I don't use it much. Grabbing the Military instead in most instances.

43. Bob Lum Chinese Folder--- Interesting knife and I might buy one if it was a bit larger.

46. Bill Moran FB trailing point---
47. Bill Moran FB drop point---
I have two of the original mirror polished, one is my wife's campknife. And I bought a droppoint. All useful handy knives at a nice price point. I would buy more of the droppoint if I lost the others.

50. Police model necklace--- I bought two of these. Neither my wife or I wear them. Probably would not buy more.

No real opinions on the others except the Toad offends my senses and I don't carry knives as primary self defense weapons so the MBC line is not my cup of tea. I feel the one I have in my pocket can do the job if I keep it sharp and can deploy it cleanly.

Terr

05-09-2001, 05:50 PM

I just recently started aquiring Spyderco knives but these are the ones that I am the least interested in buying.
Stainless Police
Police Necklace
Police Tieclip
Pro Grip
Catcherman
Snap It
Remote Release
Bob Lum Tanto
Native Stainless
Spydercard
Don't touch the little guys!!!

mundele

05-09-2001, 08:16 PM

Well, here are my pics. No real logic behind my choices, other than that these aren't my favorites. (bot not that they're bad knives, though... well, you guys know what I'm saying...)

11. CoPilot
14. Catcherman FRN handle
17. Snap it
19. Dragonfly stainless handle
32. Viele
33. Bob Lum Tanto
37. Tim Zowada
41. Massad Ayoob
50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip

DEON

05-09-2001, 11:53 PM

Numbers
1, 3, 5, 17, 19, 27, 32, 40, 50, 51.

Mancer

05-10-2001, 01:03 AM

Ok, I love all all but Id say these could go to make space for the new, one thing thou, DONT EVEN THINK OF THOUCHING THE CHIN OR GUNTINGS OR MILITARY, these are blades that will be needed in the next milenium, nearly having heart failure here,lol.

Catcherman FRN handle
Police model tie clip
D'Holder Toad
Calypso Jr. stainless handle
Delica trainer (red FRN)
Endura Trainer (red FRN)
Harpy Stainless handle
Police Model Stainless handle

Good luck Sal, hard choice for you Im sure.

Keep well

MaNcEr

Edited by - MaNcEr on 5/10/2001 1:13:12 AM

Edited by - MaNcEr on 5/10/2001 1:19:38 AM

Tightwad

05-11-2001, 09:42 AM

Rather than listing specific spyderco models to keep or cull my .02 cents is more for types of knives.
Since a lot of "eye" appeal sells knives rather than function keep those knives that offer the most "eye
candy" for that market. For the knife buyer who wants fuction keep all the knives that are flat ground
lockback with "grippable" handles. I'm gona' get flammed for this next statement ,but, scrap ALL
linerlock knives in the line. Consider this....all of the "new" locking systems today are a type of
lockback. I personally don't trust linerlocks nor do I use them. I really wanted a spyderco chinese
but didn't buy one due to the linerlock. Lastly keep all knives with sales volumes that warrant inclusion
in the product line.

ronybear

05-11-2001, 09:50 AM

1. Police SS
2. Snap It
3. Dyad Jr. FRN
4. Viele
5. D'Holder Toad (Do another D'Holder Knife)
6. J.D. Smith
7. Massad Ayoob
8. Moran FB01
9. Necklace (Do a different design each year)
10. Tie Clip (Change Design)

I would also like to see a G-10 Native instead of the FRN. Possibly with some color!!!

"LOVE DEM SPYDIES!"
AKTI Member #A001251

toothed

05-11-2001, 01:38 PM

Sal, it's nice of you to ask online Spyderco fans for their opinions on which models should be "retired." I was tempted to respond immediately upon reading the post but decided to wait awhile to let my emotions calm down before saying anything. (Engage brain before putting mouth into gear). It hurt to see my personal sentimental favorites on someone else's hit list but I'm okay now.

My recommendation is to let the market decide--in terms of model profitability--which models will continue and which models will retire. IMO, the evolution of Spyderco knife designs is one of the chief reasons for the company's success.(Stagnation is a bad word). Spyderco should be applauded for bringing creative, innovative, and radical knife designs to the market--even if a particular design did not have apparent mass appeal. Because production resources are finite, less popular models identified through slow sales should give way to newer designs (possibly the next "big thing&quot<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. To be sure, the market will identify--through continued sales--which knives are classics and should be kept in production.

Spyderco should monitor the small, medium, and large knife categories and ensure that all categories contain an adequate number of designs (EDC, tactical, hunting, etc.) that are each evaluated annually for updating or replacement by any one of the many other knives in the design pipeline.

As much as I would hate to see the SS Police, JD Smith, and Shabaria be taken out of production, if the model profitability analysis say they should "go" then so be it. Let's look forward to the bigger and better things to come from Sypderco.

ftkinney

05-12-2001, 01:38 PM

1. rescue jr. blk
2. Peter Herbst
3. Snap it
4. Dyad jr FRN handle red
5. " "british racing greeen
6. D'Holder Toad
7. Police model necklace
8. Police model tie clip
9. blue delica's
10. Navigator

wasn't easy but this my list

sharp blades good bandiads bad

Doc

05-12-2001, 08:33 PM

Sad to see Spydies go, but I guess we need room for new ones.
Here is my list
Police stainless
Harpy stainless
Snap-it
Remote Release
Native stainless
Delica trainer
Endura stainless
Toad
Massad Ayoob
Police tie clip
I was surprised to see so many votes for the Pro-Grip and the Shabaria.
Two of my favorites.

The winning is not the point.
It's the loving of the game.

dsvirsky

05-12-2001, 09:16 PM

5. Endura Stainless handle
8. Delica stainless handle
17. Snap it
29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle
33. Bob Lum Tanto
35. Peter Herbst
40. Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria
41. Massad Ayoob
50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip

lokelani

05-12-2001, 09:23 PM

In no particular order.........

~1. Remote Release (keep Snap-It)
~2. Toad
~3. Dragonfly
~4. Zowada
~5. Rescue Jr.....black (keep the orange)
~6. Police Tie Clip
~7. Dyad Jr....black (keep the colors)
~8. ProGrip...serrated/lightweight (keep
the plainedge)
~9. J.D. Smith
~10. Police...lightweight (keep ss)

Aloha~
Patti

Mr Blonde

05-13-2001, 08:05 AM

Here’s my list. Mostly based on what I like in a Spyderco. And on what my non-knifeknut friends seem to like on a knife.

- G10 Police: I feel that it is a ‘Militarized’ Police, ergo, a compromise. And the Military seems like a better vehicle for G10 and a full flat grind on a 4 inch blade. The SS police is a classic, and I suspect that sales for this model should still be acceptable, so keep it.

- Catherman (FRN): I don’t fish and it appears to specialized for anything else but fishing.

- Toad: I don’t ‘toad’ either <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> . Seriously though, it looks ugly to me. For pure functionality and performance, the Mouse looks better to me.

- Endura SS: like was said before this thread, SS handles to me, work better for medium to small knives that look ‘pretty’. For that reason, I definitely would like to see the SS Dragonfly be kept in production.

- SS Harpy: for this model and the cutting action that it demands, I’d think that the SS may be too slippery. The FRN or G10 version seem to offer better and more reliable performance

- Pro-grip: SS & kraton, in a hunting knife seem, like a relatively poor compromise when compared to the Wegner.

- Co-pilot, I think that there are many other small knives in the line-up that can perform better and look better too. For example: SS Dragonfly, FRN Dragonfly, and Navigator.

- Ladybug 2: love the full serrations but hate the sheepsfoot point on this model. A fully serrated ladybug with a point is actually a pretty good idea, so is a full plain edge on these little wonders!

- Starmate: for pure function I would prefer the Military, but the Starmate is very pretty. How about taking that one step further? Starmate jr. with a G10 handle and a titanium bolster?

- Shabaria: a bit too extreme for me. I don’t see the functionality in this model, and I don’t think it’s nice to look at.

- Native 2: Neither pretty or more functional than the FRN Native.

- Tim Zowada: I think I’d prefer a Native with G10 handles to this one. The swedge seems a bit too extreme, taking away from the edge geometry of the primary grind.

I hope that we on the forum get a message when the final decisions on the culling are made? That way, we can quickly ‘stock up’ on our favorites before the dealers don’t have them anymore.

Thanks,

Wouter

Jeff/1911

05-16-2001, 02:16 PM

Sal,

I would like to request that once you have made your decision, you let us know right away about the results. That way, I can quickly decide which of the discontinued models I simply "must" have and buy them before they're gone.

Thanks, Jeff/1911.

Blades

05-17-2001, 08:31 PM

Ladybug II FRN handle (sheepfoot)
Native stainless handle
Native black FRN handle
Navigator
Police model necklace
Police model tie clip
Endura Stainless handle
Delica stainless handle
Massad Ayoob
Tim Zowada

Blades

ceg

05-19-2001, 03:00 PM

5. Endura Stainless handle
7. Endura Trainer (red FRN)
10. Delica trainer (red FRN)
13. Pro Grip FRN/Kraton handle
16. Rescue Jr. black or orange FRN handle
17. Snap it
18. Remote Release
20. Dragonfly FRN handle
23. Ladybug II FRN handle (sheepfoot)
25. Dyad Micarta handle
26. Dyad jr FRN handle
27. Native stainless handle
29. Calypso Jr. stainless handle
37. Tim Zowada
38. D'Holder Toad
39. JD Smith
40. Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria
41. Massad Ayoob
42. James Keating Chinook
44. Frank Centofante Vesuvious
50. Police model necklace
51. Police model tie clip

Mike V.

05-20-2001, 08:44 PM

My cull list.

1. police tie clip
2. police necklace
3. E. B. Spydercard
4. delica trainer
5. endura trainer
6. harpy stainless
7. d holder toad
8. E.B. Shabaria
9. Tim Zowada
10. Rescue Jr.

Michael G73

06-13-2001, 05:42 PM

Hi Sal!

Just curious if you might have some information as to how our lists have shaped Spyderco's decisions for the year's lineup.

Thanks! (See, I want to make sure that if you're going to drop one of the knives I want, that I get it first). <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

sal

06-16-2001, 07:07 AM

Hi Michael. We have the totals for the question, which was asked on 2 forums and sent to 100 distrutors and dealers.

I'll post the totals of the question as soon as my world slows down a bit (over the next few days).

However, I won't be posting the actual decisions until OCT when the new catalog is scheduled. Sorry. There are other factors that influence decisions besides the survey.

sal

Allen E. Treat

06-16-2001, 12:32 PM

Dear Sal ;
I only came up with these 5 :

Police stainless handle

Harpy stainless handle

Snap-it

Remote Release

Dragonfly stainless handle

Sincerely,

A.E.T.

clipiteer

06-17-2001, 09:17 AM

#2.-Police model G10 handle-Stainless model serves the same purpose but better

#10.-Delica trainer (red FRN)-Endura trainer works fine, not too much size difference

#18.-Remote Release-obviously not practical for EDC, don't think it's that popular either, though I may be wrong

#50.-Police model necklace-looks more like a toy or a piece of jewelry, also too small

#26.-Dyad Jr. FRN- big Dyad works fine

#29.-Calypso Jr. SS-stainless steel handle is fine, but the blade steel dooesn't compare to the VG10 of the FRN model

#13.-Pro-Grip FRN/Kraton-SS model works fine, looks cool too

#16.-Rescue Jr.-big model will suffice

Can't stand to see any more go!*sob* Anyway, here's 8 for retirement.
-clip

formula44

06-19-2001, 04:24 PM

I'll post my list and then some reasons:
1. Police Stainless
2. Police G10
3. Endura Stainless
8. Delica Stainless
14. Catcherman
17. Snap-it
18. Remote Release
19. Dragonfly stainless
20. Dragonfly FRN
41. Massad Ayoob

The police models are great, but they are 4&1/8". That puts them 1/8" past a pocket knife in some areas. The Military, at 4" even, would be the knife for those areas.

Endura and Delica stainless are heavier than necessary. The pocket clip does not reverse.

Catcherman. I rarely have to fillet a fish in such a hurry I need a one-handed opening.

Snap-its and remote release are right handed only. The niche could be filled by an aftermarket shackle that replaces the clothing clip on the Rescues, Enduras, and Delicas. I find a small loop of string in the lanyard hole and an Uncle Mike's keyring snap on the belt works great on those occations I need to carry the knife outside my pocket.

Dragonflys are too difficult to open. I have big hands, but find the Ladybugs easier.

Massad Ayoob just looks wierd. Looks like its about to fold shut onto my fingers.

Speaking of fishing, I have noticed that those orange foam keyfloaters you can buy at the hardware store have enough boyancy to float a Delica, but not an Endura (lightweights). I would guess they could float a Rescue Jr, but maybe not a Rescue. Just something the other Spyder folks might find interesting.

Paul C

06-19-2001, 05:24 PM

Sal;

I can see that alot of people are putting the snap-it and remote release on the cull list. The only thing I would like to say is that non-standard attachment mechanisms are a good thing for people that carry knives in different situations and getting rid of both of these would be a bad thing I think.

Just my thoughts.

Do you have the compliled data ready yet or will that be a couple more weeks?

Thanks

Paul

sal

06-20-2001, 07:45 AM

Hi Paul. We have the data. I just haven't had the time to sit down and list the "opinions" on the forums. Keep nagging me.

sal

Sword and Shield

07-15-2001, 08:27 PM

So what knives are going to be culled from the herd? If any knives I want are on the list, I might go to a knife dealer and ask for a discount since they will be discontinued.

Keepin' it real...real sharp, that is.

blilious

07-21-2001, 10:09 AM

This is always a very tough one to answer:

14. Catcherman FRN handle
23. Ladybug II FRN handle (sheepfoot)
17. Snap it
26. Dyad jr FRN handle
28. Native black FRN handle
38. D'Holder Toad
39. JD Smith
41. Massad Ayoob
43. Bob Lum Chinese Folder
50. Police model necklace

In any case - these HAVE to stay:

33. Bob Lum Tanto
36. Bob Terzuola Starmate
37. Tim Zowada
40. Eduar Bradichansky Shabaria
44. Frank Centofante Vesuvious
45. Eduard Bradichansky Spydercard
48. Bram Frank Gunting
49. Bram Frank Gunting trainer

Edited by - Blilious on 7/21/2001 10:17:06 AM

Alan2112

07-23-2001, 12:17 AM

The Harpy stainless, Merlin FRN, Ladybug, Ladybug 2, Dyad micarta, Dyad FRN, Viele, Toad, Shabaria, Tim Zowada> RKBA!

Eagle1

08-04-2001, 05:29 AM

I remember how disappointed I was to see that the Wayne Goddard LTWT was being discontinued. (I wish I had bought more than two of the plain edged ones when I had the chance.) Hope this doesn't happen to any more of my favorites. Here are ones I can see go to make way for new and exciting future models.

#3 Harpy SS- too heavy IMO
#12 Pro Grip SS- like FRN better
#14 Catcherman-unless you put a reversible clip on it!!!
#16 Rescue Jr.-bigger is better
#17 Snap It-don't like sheepsfoot version, isn't pointed one already discontinued?
#19 Dragonfly SS- too heavy, FRN better IMO
#25 Dyad Micarta- looks slippery, never held one though
#27 Native SS-FRN version is perfect!
#40 Shabaria- Never really appealed to me
#29 Calypso Jr. SS-too heavy, slippery

I'm sure some will disagree but as you can tell by my choices I prefer FRN or G-10 to any steel or aluminum handles. They've got a better grip to me and I've never had an FRN fail.

Eagle1