UK blades?

[dhpd9807]

I am contemplating a move to the UK. I know I cannot enjoy my CCW there, or even bring my guns but what are my other options for self defense? I am thinking here mostly knife ownership/carrying and ASP type batons.

thanks
Jeff

[The Deacon]

I believe a whistle to summon a Bobby, and prayer are still legal there. Running may also be allowed, at least in certain areas.

[zackerty]

Join www.britishblades.com, and there is legal section there...
Be prepared for bad news....

[crahen]

I believe a whistle to summon a Bobby, and prayer are still legal there. Running may also be allowed, at least in certain areas.

There are some in this country that want things that way here :( :mad:

Things aren't too bad yet here in North Carolina. In fact a kind of funny thing happened a couple of years ago when we had a violent break in. The guy kicked our door down and was in the kitchen. I grabbed my Mossberg Persuader and informed the gentleman that I was armed and he shouldn't spend any more time here. He agreed and left. He left so fast I couldn't offer him a cup of coffee :confused: BUT, when the police got here they were mad at me :eek: Every one of them said I should have shot him :eek: AND, when the crime lab people got here they too kept saying that I should have shot him :eek:

[zackerty]

Universally, there is less paperwork in a a perp/troll dying in a self defence situation, than if he absconds, wounded or not.

[crahen]

Universally, there is less paperwork in a a perp/troll dying in a self defence situation, than if he absconds, wounded or not.

Plus they told me if they catch him he'll be back on the street in no time, and the next time he might kill somebody.

BTW- I made light of what happened. The truth is, it was a VERY scary couple of moments. Don't want it to happen again!

[Mariner]

So Craig, I recognize that this calls for speculation on your part; however, I'm curious to know, if the identical situation arose again (God forbid), would you treat the gentleman to a round or two from the 12 gauge ... I mean now that you know how appreciative and grateful the police and crime lab guys would be and all :D .

[Lil Timmy]

So the law is on your side if you shoot that waste of humanity and you don't agree with it? :confused:
Then you'll love being in Canada where you cannot use a gun to threaten an intruder. And if you fight him back while he is bashing in your skull or raping your 9 year old daughter, he can actually sue you in court and probably win some type of judgement that would cause you to sell your home (the same home he broke in) in order to pay him off. :rolleyes:

That's why I love socialism! YAY, socialism!! Can't wait till the US gets there! :D

[Mariner]

...Then you'll love being in Canada where you cannot use a gun to threaten an intruder...Hell, under those circumstances, there probably would be neither the time nor the opportunity to extract a firearm from the gun safe without detection anyway. And, if it wasn't all locked-up, the police here would add unsafe storage of a firearm to the list of charges. Oh, and if crahen's Mossberg pump wasn't registered, another charge .... Is this what they mean when they say that we're a civilized society :confused: .

[death-bringah]

If what happened to me last week is any indication, the political climate towards knives in Britain is extremely unfriendly...

For the very 1st time, I visited the “British Blades” website. I browsed around, started reading a thread, and figured I might have something to say, so I signed up and posted.

When I visited again, only hours later, my post had been deleted, and I could not sign in...I had been banned! I had not even been emailed an explanation of why this had been done! (Very rude; or prejudiced; or no “bollocks”.) I could not figure out what I had done; if I had offended someone with my single solitary post, or what?

So, I fired off an email to the admin. of the forum...actually, it took 2 emails before he was willing to respond: Apparently, my USERNAME is too much for them! (no bollocks) Or at least, that’s what the admin. guy told me. I considered he may have been B.S.ing me, as the “British Blades” members list includes names such as ‘killerknives’; ‘Postmortem’; ‘Reaper’; and ‘Warrior’ to name a few...doesn’t make ANY sense to me, but that’s what I was told.

I’m very grateful that I have been accepted, or at least, not out rightly banned, from the Spyderco forum, (what a cool place this is!) Where I can not only enjoy knives, but also freedom of speech; and freedom to select a silly, cheesy username...thank you :spyder: .

canadian knife enthusiasts have problems as well, but Britain makes canada look like the good ol’ U.S. of A.

[crahen]

So Craig, I recognize that this calls for speculation on your part; however, I'm curious to know, if the identical situation arose again (God forbid), would you treat the gentleman to a round or two from the 12 gauge ... I mean now that you know how appreciative and grateful the police and crime lab guys would be and all :D .

Well, I might be more tempted next time to let Mr. Mossberg give him a "Howdy Do" right off :D Rest assured that if he had not turned and run he would have been dropped where he stood.

I guess it sounds kind of unfeeling and cold, but my wife and I talked about what would have happened if I had let go with buckshot.

He was in the middle of our kitchen and I was down the hall about 25 feet away. Not only would it have been a bloody mess, but the damage done to cabinets and walls would have been terrible.

I guess I'll roast in hell for being more concerned about the damage and mess to the house. But one of the LEOs said I could have used a rifled slug and only had the bloody mess to clean up :rolleyes:

Oh yes, for all those out there that always say just call the Police when someone is breaking in. It won't work with a fast violent break in! From the time I started to hear the loud crashing on the side door to the time he was in our kitchen was about 15 SECONDS :eek: I barely had time to grab my shot gun and put it up to my shoulder! After it was over it took about 20 seconds to call 911 and explain what was going on. Another 10 minutes for the first patrol car to get here.

[crahen]

So the law is on your side if you shoot that waste of humanity and you don't agree with it? :confused:

I agree with it. I just was kind of supprised. All day long (it took the crime lab 7 hours to get here :rolleyes: ) LEOs were walking in and out, and as each different one would go by he would say "Should've shot him". Then the crime lab guys did the same thing! It really got to be funny :D

[greencobra]

No, the law is not on your side. What a cop says at a crime scene after the fact still doesn't mean your not going to have to face the judicial system.

Unless you're prepared for an expensive legal battle, you did the right thing.

Unless the perp is physically abusive with me or my family, or another person , and you can read that as bodily harm, I'd do exactly as you did. Announce you're armed and let him get out. Sometimes holding someone at gunpoint without a violent crime having been commited is tricky in court.

My opinion is all.

[crahen]

No, the law is not on your side. What a cop says at a crime scene after the fact still doesn't mean your not going to have to face the judicial system.

Unless you're prepared for an expensive legal battle, you did the right thing.

Unless the perp is physically abusive with me or my family, or another person , and you can read that as bodily harm, I'd do exactly as you did. Announce you're armed and let him get out. Sometimes holding someone at gunpoint without a violent crime having been commited is tricky in court.

My opinion is all.

Different states and cities handle it different. I believe it's Califorina that says that if you have an intruder in your house you have to RETREAT to the farthest point in your house. Then if he comes after you you can defend yourself! The LEOs in my house said that in North Carolina I only have to say I was in fear of my life. Which I was!

This situation has happened in NC. Yes you have to face a judge, and the defenders are found innocent. What's the old saying? "I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by twelve!"

Also, I hope anyone in this situtation that decides to hold and keep the perp till the LEOs get there don't find the perp pulling out a 9mm and blowing their head off :eek:

[The General]

Mr Bringah a simple change of name would allow you full access to britishblades. Your "handle" was not suited to the family access forum we have. This was explained to you. We ban very very few people.

Thanks for the heads up on some inapropriate member names, I have taken action on some of those. With over 2000 members a few slip through the net.

Abide by the rules and I don't think you will have any problems.

Sorry Spyderco for mentioning this here. :(

[death-bringah]

Hello, General, thank you very much for your message.

Gee, if you're banning those names then you're making me look like a snitch...actually I did respond to the admin. with a much LONGER list of names which are somehow similar to mine...but NOT to get other people banned as well, (and there are quite a few of them registered at British Blades) only to point out how silly it all was...in fact, I really could not believe that it was the real reason I had been banned! :confused:

And with all due respect sir, YOUR name was on that list...("The General"s go to war and "bringah death", you see) I certainly don't have a problem with your name, or anyone else's, but it just seemed a little creepy...from my perspective, those with an interest in the right to keep and bear knives would naturally tend to gravitate to a place with LESS of these inconsistantly enforced regulations.

The irony: I visited British Blades after reading this post here:

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?p=135376#post135376

...seemed like such a tolerant place?

Anyway, you're going to have to do quite a bit of house-cleaning to get rid of every single name that someone might find off-putting or controversial...at a certain point things will get pretty ridiculous, if they have not already. :D

As for "abiding by the rules", you may want to post a warning for potential members when they are selecting a user name that the powers that be deem "improper". I have had this user name on quite a few forums, and it had NEVER been a problem.

I appreciate your re-invitation to British Blades, but I think the :spyder: Forum is a place where I can really be myself...whomever THAT is! :eek:

take care...death-bringah