Assisted Open Spyderco!!!

[severedthumbs]

When will Spyderco get into the AO market?

[hardkiss]

hopefully soon..

[Zerileous]

I don't think so. However I belive there ARE plans for a spyderco automatic for LEO and Military. Right now, it is illegal to manufacture auto knives in Colorado, but I have heard something of the laws changeing.

[Titus]

I don't think so. However I belive there ARE plans for a spyderco automatic for LEO and Military. Right now, it is illegal to manufacture auto knives in Colorado, but I have heard something of the laws changeing.

Laws changing?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Pulse]

ya, I think they should make some like the ken onion series with an index flipper, unless that's pattented. :rolleyes: :spyder:

[Childe Roland]

I'm afraid I don't see what possible advantage assisted openers could have over the round Spyder Hole. Just my opinion.

[severedthumbs]

tha advantage is fun. and they can make autos in CO.

[Pulse]

Ya, they are fun, mine opens as fast as a switchblade does, but since you have to manually move the blade over the tortion bar, its considered legal.

[severedthumbs]

I tell you, I recently picked up a Kershaw Bump and i haven't put the thing down yet. The flipper is addicting.

[Jimmy_Dean]

I have handled a kershaw (forgot the model) in the knife store the other day. While I thought it was fun, in my mind, it's more moving parts and more potential for failure. While I'm sure it's failproof and everything, it's never failproof enough for my taste. I'm more of a good ol' round hole type of guy.

but if spyderco goes this way, we all know it's going to kick some butts :)

[severedthumbs]

I have handled a kershaw (forgot the model) in the knife store the other day. While I thought it was fun, in my mind, it's more moving parts and more potential for failure. While I'm sure it's failproof and everything, it's never failproof enough for my taste. I'm more of a good ol' round hole type of guy.

but if spyderco goes this way, we all know it's going to kick some butts :)

it is failproof. even if the torsion bar would break you could still open the knife manually.

[ASmitty]

it is failproof. even if the torsion bar would break you could still open the knife manually.

It's failproof in that way and that way alone. The torsion bars do break and (no offense to Kershaw as I do love the Onions with Speedsafe) they break often enough that if you break one Kershaw will send you new ones to replace yourself. Replacing your own spring obviously doesn't void the warranty.

[STR]

Personally the Wave is faster and easier to produce without machining to incorporate the torsion bar into the body of a folder.

The Spyderco Waved Endura works so well that I'm sure it even surprised the die hard Emerson fans that have used it at the diff in control and reliability.

The only real drawback to the Wave is pocket wear but I've fixed a lot of that problem with a simple idea.

[severedthumbs]

the waved endura is ugly as hell though and it is not nearly as much fun to play with as an AO folder is. The wave has its drawback as well.

the torsion bar is tested to 10,000 cycles, that is good enough for me. plus they are easy enough to replace at no extra cost to me.

[dialex]

I'd like one. Because, knowing the efforts, passion and innovative thinking Spyderco invests in its knives, I know that we'll finally have a reliable AO. Not one where the spring breaks every few hundreds openings and closing, not one that opens fast, but it takes too much time (and sometimes two hads) to disengage the safety, but just another fine ol' quality folder from Spyderco :)

[STR]

the waved endura is ugly as hell though

So what exactly is different about that than any other Spyderco? I just gave Spydies a passing glance for years because they were ugly. Then one day I held one in my hand and used it. Changed everything.

[Vincent]

Wasent the #100 supposed to be an Auto, id hope for an Auto Military. id buy one just to have even thogh its illagal.

[GarageBoy]

Have fun trying to find a dealer that will sell, sans military ID (I tried and I only found PVK)

How about a revolutionary assisted opener? (Reinforce the Spyderco's quest for innovation) The SpyKer should have been just that

[Vincent]

Have fun trying to find a dealer that will sell, sans military ID (I tried and I only found PVK)

How about a revolutionary assisted opener? (Reinforce the Spyderco's quest for innovation) The SpyKer should have been just that


You can buy the Gerber Emerson Alliance knife from a ton of Online dealers who dont care as long as they get there money. There was a thread on BFC about dealers who sell autos without checking./

[Zerileous]

I think if this were to be done, the Spydker would be a good platform for a good old tortion bar. Perhapse a run of AO spykers changed up a little bit, that is if the current does well enough. There would need to be more differences than just the AO for collector value, but it would be neat. Only problem is the Spyderco policy of no dissassembly. I think kershaws tortion bar policy, of sending you the bar, is the only practical means of doing it. Also, I dont think that the tortion bar would necessarily be good for the G10 or strength, but IDK.

[WORKER#9]

I will say this about ao knives years ago when kershaws were really hot I bought one of the first ao and used it and used it and after a while it just destroyed itself with its own spring force, to the point where there was so much vert and hori blade plade I had to retire it after less than a year. I was very dissapointed and have not gone back to the design and at this point in my life consider it a gimmick that violates all the rule of K.I.S.S.. give me a strong well made folder that is mbc rated and I will be far happier. worker

[severedthumbs]

so you think over the years the design has not been made better?

[WORKER#9]

so you think over the years the design has not been made better?

yes I am sure they are better but what I am saying is I would rather spend my money on a well made knife that is mbc rated, lock strength is a higher priority for me than a spring. So ao is just not that important. Also I do not see many custom knife makers jumping on to the ao bandwagon, just large mass market producers delivering lower cost products.

[severedthumbs]

and the Kershaw Bump is not a well made knife? It is near custom quality and the lock up is vault on it. This is the highest quality production knife i have handled in quite some time. Go handle one I think you will be impressed, I know I was and I am quite hard to impress.

[WORKER#9]

I am sure it is and when and if spyderco makes a AO I will probably buy one cause I got spyder brain damage :spyder: and cant stop and severedthumbs I in no way mean any disrespect towards your thread just voicing my opinion and we all know about opinions :eek:

[Vincent]

The Majority of us will buy one, I know I will and I have enevr even used a AO.

[severedthumbs]

Worker#9, I understand that. I am in no way a Kershaw fanboy, but I am really impressed with the Bump knife is all. It is the only Kershaw I own and really the only knife of theirs I like. Now I can't wiat for the Offset to be avaliable.
http://www.kershawknives.com/knivesTools/images/offsetRO.jpg

[Stormdrane]

The addition of a Carson flipper would be nice on something like the Manix or Military.

[ghostrider]

What does "Metal Injection Molded (MIM)" mean?

[Vincent]

Id also like to know. By how it sounds maybe they force the metal into it when it is being shaped, Like its forced injected to be stronger.

[severedthumbs]

heck if I know, but maybe it is this.

http://www.parmatech.com/parmatech/metalinj_pimprocess.html

[thenick]

As I use my knives as tools and not as weapons, I don't really see a use for EDIT: [Assisted Open] knives. Anyway they are illegal in Canada :|

[severedthumbs]

As I use my knives as tools and not as weapons, I don't really see a use for Automatic knives. Anyway they are illegal in Canada :|


well it is a good thing we are not talking about automatic knives in this thread.

[Vincent]

Ilelgal doesent mean anything,

[thenick]

well it is a good thing we are not talking about automatic knives in this thread.

that's what I wanted to say ;)

thanks :D

[severedthumbs]

It is illegal to carry autos here in TX but I own many auto knives.

[glockintosh]

I'd buy one, but to be honest I really don't need an assisted opener. I guess if my hands were arthritic or injured in some way it could be an advantage. But mostly it seems that most spydeys are pretty quick to open anyway.

One thing I dislike about AOs are the safeties they put on them. I can understand with the kershaw flipper, since it is so easy to push, but I have a SOG Flash II with a safety and I think it is superfluous. I just took the thing off.

So anyway-- Spyderco AO: don't need it. Spyderco AO: Heck yeah, I'd buy it!

GLockintosh

[LONE WOLF]

Cant you carry an auto in TX as long as you have it for a collection or something? I heard there is a loophole

[severedthumbs]

Cant you carry an auto in TX as long as you have it for a collection or something? I heard there is a loophole

you can own them if it is part of a curio but carry is strictly forbiden.

[severedthumbs]

I'd buy one, but to be honest I really don't need an assisted opener. I guess if my hands were arthritic or injured in some way it could be an advantage. But mostly it seems that most spydeys are pretty quick to open anyway.

One thing I dislike about AOs are the safeties they put on them. I can understand with the kershaw flipper, since it is so easy to push, but I have a SOG Flash II with a safety and I think it is superfluous. I just took the thing off.

So anyway-- Spyderco AO: don't need it. Spyderco AO: Heck yeah, I'd buy it!

GLockintosh

I think safeties suck too. The Bump has no safety. :)

[spydutch]

I don't need an automatic knife. First I'm not allowed to carry one over here and second the hole is fast enough for me(just my opinion)

[Stormdrane]

What does "Metal Injection Molded (MIM)" mean?

I believe it is another way of 'casting', as it is sprayed into a form and allowed to harden.

[Vincent]

good to know. thx

[Havatoo]

My personal preference is for something simple with as few parts as possible. The hole is enough for me. Having said that, I enjoy autos and assisted openers, just wouldn't use one for EDC.

[severedthumbs]

My personal preference is for something simple with as few parts as possible. The hole is enough for me. Having said that, I enjoy autos and assisted openers, just wouldn't use one for EDC.


yeah all those parts just get in the way, what a hassle to carry and open they are.

[*Cho*]

As I use my knives as tools and not as weapons, I don't really see a use for EDIT: [Assisted Open] knives. Anyway they are illegal in Canada :|

I don't know what part of Canada you are in, But in Canada, where I live, the laws are uniform across the country AND AO knives are prefectly legal. If you don't believe me ask Kershaw for proof they can provide you with the legal documention.

[ghostrider]

I believe it is another way of 'casting', as it is sprayed into a form and allowed to harden.
Thanks Stormdrane.

As to the prospect of a :spyder: AO. NO THANKS. I preferred the AO for years but have since moved to Spyderco for a reason. Something to think about is that the AO's tend to have thumb studs. Using a hole with an AO could be a bit dangerous. The reason behind the "Speedsafe" was to keep the thumb away from the blade, thus the "safe" in "Speedsafe". Using a hole for opening sounds counterproductive to that methodology, however, a flipper could be used.

Just remember; when it comes to prospective, new models, there are only so many pieces to the pie. :spyder: employs less than 40 people. If they commit R & D toward an AO, then that means that other endeavors will not have that commitment. "You want a new run of the full sized Calypso? It will have to wait until we put out this AO." "You want a new line of hawksbills? Sorry, maybe next year, but here is this AO with a VG-10 blade. Send it to us when the spring breaks, because fixing it yourself will void the warranty."

[jaislandboy]

The only real drawback to the Wave is pocket wear but I've fixed a lot of that problem with a simple idea.

Hey STR how did you fix the pocket wear??? I've been eyeing the Endura Wave and am trying to resist the temptation :p !

[d.g.g]

When will Spyderco get into the AO market?

It may sound flippant but I always thought of the Spyderco as the "original" assisted folder. I'd like to see a contest between a spydie user and an assist user. I'll bet the difference is imperceptable.

[Jonny8642]

When i was up at spyderco a week ago the sale lady said that they are going to start making knives that are spring assisted. But they are only selling them to law enforcement and military personel only. Also when i was up ther today on the August 27. Spyderco factory outlet store is having a sale on all of the inventory. So if you're in colorado this month I would be heading to the spyderco early.