What a bunch of thieves!!

[Jordan]

On the knifezilla website, posted under What's new and most of the way down the page you will find another in a long line of riped off designs... whats worse? It's the spyderfly.

What really gets my goat, they barely even changed the name (spyderfly becomes superfly). Every other element of the design is identical to the spydie (except for, I'm sure, the quality parts used. my guess, its a piece of crap)... for the love of god, someone tell me Sal is loading up the legal rocket launcher with lots of subpeona shells...

[sal]

Hi Jordan,

"It takes all kinds of animals to make a forest. Without the mosquitos and the leeches, one does not appreciate the hawk and the deer".

sal

[spyderknut]

Dirty rotten no-good ........................... :mad:

[Django]

Hi Jordan,

"It takes all kinds of animals to make a forest. Without the mosquitos and the leeches, one does not appreciate the hawk and the deer".

sal

:)

Nice post Sal.

[Jordan]

You are a good man Sal... shame others don't follow your example

[sal]

Thanx.

If you want a better world, you have to be a better person.

sal

[swissknife]

Thanx.

If you want a better world, you have to be a better person.

sal

dear sal

you are one of the people that makes me believing that the world is still not such a bad place to live!

thank you sir!

[SoCal Operator]

I know that it is best to simply turn the other cheek, because kick and scream as we may, there will always be people looking to profit off of others. It just bugs the hell out of me when companies, which are not dedicated to putting quality into anything they do, simply steal designs of brilliant knifemakers and produce them for a third of the price. Kit Carson, Ken Onion, Ernest Emerson, Pat Crawford, and now Eric Glesser, all of their work and thought, used without so much as a nod in their direction. Should I be angry about this? Or should I focus my youthful zeal on something else?

[Hillbilly]

there will always be knockoffs, they are really popular in clothing, cant believe in knives...

[zackerty]

They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I say it is the lack of any original thoughts...
But when somone rips off your design, it tells you that you are doing something right, something that pleases the masses...

[Rob]

...when somone rips off your design, it tells you that you are doing something right, something that pleases the masses...

Yes and no - in my opinion. There are masses of people who do not understand that quality has its price and rather buy a cheap knock-off rather than the real thing. "That's exactly the same knife!" is a sentence that I've heard too often for my taste now in this context. If you try to explain they won't listen and if it fails (what is most likely the case) they are going to tell you that the original is the same POS as their knockoff so it was wise not to pay the higher price :(

It's not only the moral or ethical aspect that makes me angry about things like that but also the negative long term effect in the minds of many people that any company suffers which produces high-quality gear and is ripped off by someone who just wants to make a quick dollar.

It's that "yeah I had one that was just like yours but cheaper" mentality that can ruin a whole business. On the other hand I think that people who buy :spyder:-products buy them because they KNOW what they are getting or what to expect.

Just out of curiosity: Is there any known case where a respected manufacturer of knives sued a company that made knock-offs and won? I don't know how it is in real life but here in Europe you often get the impression that you can sue almost anybody for anything in the US :)

Cheers, Rob

[sal]

Hi Rob,

In American law suits regarding copies, sometimes you win, sometimes you do not.

It depends on how much money the copy-cat has or is willing to spend.

IMO, LLD (Lawyers, Loopholes and Dollars) is how the copy-cats keep their copies.

sal

[CopilotATS-55]

but we all know they wont match Spydercos quality EVER!!! :D :spyder:

[SoCal Operator]

but we all know they wont match Spydercos quality EVER!!! :D :spyder:

Very true, but that's not the problem. The majority of the knife-ignorant public probably won't know, and will gravitate toward the cheaper product thinking they are buying the same. What they don't seem to realize is that with knives, like with watches and women, you get what you pay for. I know people who have been forced to buy new knives multiple times because the knock-off they got was a POS. They ended up paying the samed amount of money for 3-4 knives as they would have spent on one :spyder: .

[Axlis]

My grandfather in-law is... well, let's just say he's a little set in ways :rolleyes:! He doesn't care for the fact that some of my knives are made in Japan, and he told me the other day he seen the exact same thing at a flea market for two dollars. I believe these two dollar Spyder knock-offs are partially to blame for the general public's lack of enthusiasm. At least we know the quality this great company produces :spyder:.

[thombrogan]

Very true, but that's not the problem. The majority of the knife-ignorant public probably won't know, and will gravitate toward the cheaper product thinking they are buying the same.

Gets even froggier when the rip-off company isn't making an inferior product. There's one company ripping off Spyderco that uses good materials and construction, has great customer service, and enough original designs to make it look like their Spyderco rip-offs are the boundaries-tests of a sociopath.

In the collectible world, there are people making phony antiques of higher quality than the originals, but they're still marketing them under false pretenses. Again, bizarre feats of sociopaths.

How's that for clear as mud?

[dialex]

Speaking of knifezilla... does this look familiar to you? Look momma, it's an improved Endura :eek:
http://kis.net/08/ENDURANCESTEEL.jpg

[CopilotATS-55]

that aint cool my finger trobs in distaste :spyder:

[SoCal Operator]

that aint cool my finger trobs in distaste :spyder:

I have to agree, that's a pretty crappy looking knife. You'd think with all the imitators out there, at least one would pinch out something half decent.

There's one company ripping off Spyderco that uses good materials and construction -thombrogan

Really? Which one is that?

[foggy]

That isn't crapy looking at all. Except for the lack of a hole, the stamp on the the blade, and the 2 screw clip it is identical. The difference is when you pick it up in person and notice the blade play and crapy blade material. Exactly why people buy them.

[thombrogan]

PM sent to SoCal.