What do you call a Stainless C13P

[sod]

Is it a Pro-venator or a pro-grip?
Thanks, Mike

[Andre V]

This is something i would also like to know.

When i orginally got my first spur in the late nineties, i was told it was a proventor. There might have been a name change. It could also be that the spur was the name of the sprint/limited rerun run they did of this knife. As for the larger progrip it might also have been the proventor originally.


I think the knowledgeable ones will be along shortly to answer this question.

[smcfalls13]

Accoring to Ted's site it's called the Pro-Grip. Perhaps the name was changed somewhere down the line. Not sure of the difference between the two, and I'm not familiar with the model. Sorry.

[JD Spydo]

I had one. On the end of the box it said "Pro Grip". I have seen that same knife labeled as "provenator" before though. It is a pretty sweet gentleman's knife. I think that knife has also been made with 2 or 3 other handles other than stainless. But I just don't know as much about these older models as I would like to. :spyder:

[gary sims]

The original name was pro venator but then it was changed to pro grip. I had both names at one time. The FRN pro grip was also orginally called pro venator lite if I remember correctly. Hope this helps.

[Peter1960]

As far as I know from the :spyder: catalogs:

1993 - C13/Pro-Venator (stainless) only
1994 - C13/Pro-Venator (stainless) and C33/Pro-Venator light weight (FRN)
1997 - C13/Pro-Venator (stainless) and C33/Pro-Grip (FRN)
1998 - C13/Pro-Venator (stainless) and C33/Pro-Grip (FRN)
2000 - C13/Pro-Grip (stainless) and C13BK/Pro-Grip (FRN)
2001 - C13/Pro-Grip (stainless) and C13BK/Pro-Grip (FRN)
2002 - C13/Pro-Grip (stainless) and C13BK/Pro-Grip (FRN)
2003 - C13/Pro-Grip (stainless) and C13BK/Pro-Grip (FRN)
2004 - C13BK/Pro-Grip (FRN) only
2005 - none of both

You also should look on the steel and the art of knife-edge when you want to know how old your :spyder: is and what it's name is.

C13:
1997 - GIN-1 + 40/60
1998 - 2001 - ATS55 + 40/60
2002 - 2003 - VG-10 + PE, 50/50

C33/C13BK:
1997 - GIN-1 + 40/60
1998 - 2001 - AUS-8 + 40/60
2002 - 2004 - VG-10 + 50/50

Sorry for the missing years :o but I hope this is a little help.

Oh yes, there is one further "little thing" - in catalog 2006 Sal writes: "1991 - C13 Pro-Hunter (Pro-Venator) and 1995 - C33 Pro-Grip".

So, Mike, is it a Pro-Hunter, a Pro-Venator or a Pro-Grip? :rolleyes: :eek: :D

Which :spyder: catalog information will you trust?

[Peter1960]

Sorry Mike now I see the title you wrote: Stainless C13P(E)

This is a Pro-Grip!!!!

Do I win anything???? :)

[The Deacon]

Is it a Pro-venator or a pro-grip?
Thanks, Mike

Well Mike, as a general rule, if the steel is VG-10 I call it a Pro-Grip, otherwise I call it a Pro-Venator.

The knife was originally going to be called the Pro-Hunter, as it was an improved version of the C03 Hunter, featuring the Kraton insert to provide a better grip, and a slightly wider blade. That name had to be changed when it was discovered that another company considered it a trademark. So it became the Pro-Venator, and later, at some point during the GIN-1 era, the name was changed again to Pro-Grip, to match the FRN version. I suspect the reason was that not enough Catholic priests buy :spyder:s, few other people realized that Venator is Latin for Hunter, and everyone else just thought Venator sounded odd. Or it might just have been part of the process of consolidating the SKU#s. :D

The Spur evolved from the C04 Executive, which was a smaller "sibling" of the Hunter. People occasionally misidentify these knifes because of the similar shapes. I've seen Pro-Grips listed as Spurs and visa-versa.

[raven]

Hey sod, One of the other differences between the "Pro-Venator" and the "SS Pro-Grip" is the CE Blades. I believe the "Pro-Venator" had a CE of 50/50 and the "SS Pro-Grip" had 60% PE and 40% SE. I hope this helps a bit. Take Care.

God Bless :)


-raven-

[sod]

I guess this is an accurate auction title then?
"Spyderco Provenator Pro Grip Progrip Venator" :rolleyes:
Thanks, I think ;)

[The Deacon]

I guess this is an accurate auction title then?
"Spyderco Provenator Pro Grip Progrip Venator" :rolleyes:
Thanks, I think ;)Well, if you have the box, and the box has a name on it, use the name on the box.

If you have the box and it does not have a name on it, just the model number, it is almost certainly a Pro-Venator.

If you do not have the box, and the steel marking on the blade, under the Spyderco name, is VG-10 call it a Pro-Grip, otherwise call it a Pro-Venator.

Frankly if you don't have the box, it's not going to make much difference what you call it, as pretty much the only people who will be likely to bid will be those looking for a knife to carry, and they are generally not as anal about things like that as we collectors are.

Truth is, on an eBay auction for a :spyder: the most important things are

1. Spell SPYDERCO correctly - it will cost you a LOT of bidders if you don't

2. Post clear pictures, at least one of each side, preferable some detail shots as well. If you have the box, inlcude it in at least one.

3. Post a clear, concise description of the condition of the knife and packaging (if any). Be honest. Most of us don't give a rats rosy rump about your religious or political affiliations, that you spent the last twenty years of your life training SEAL teams, why you are selling the knife, or why you won't do something most eBayers do willingly, so leave that stuff out.

4. Allow overseas bidders. Some of the most avid collectors right now are outside the USA, and with the exchange rate as bad as it is, they quite often outbid us Yanks, when allowed to bid.

5. Have decent feedback, if it's below 99.0, you could just as well put "this item comes from the household of a cigar smoking leper with 18 cats and dogs" in your listing.

[sod]

Truth is, on an eBay auction for a :spyder: the most important things are

1. Spell SPYDERCO correctly - it will cost you a LOT of bidders if you don't

2. Post clear pictures, at least one of each side, preferable some detail shots as well. If you have the box, inlcude it in at least one.

3. Post a clear, concise description of the condition of the knife and packaging (if any). Be honest. Most of us don't give a rats rosy rump about your religious or political affiliations, that you spent the last twenty years of your life training SEAL teams, why you are selling the knife, or why you won't do something most eBayers do willingly, so leave that stuff out.

4. Allow overseas bidders. Some of the most avid collectors right now are outside the USA, and with the exchange rate as bad as it is, they quite often outbid us Yanks, when allowed to bid.

5. Have decent feedback, if it's below 99.0, you could just as well put "this item comes from the household of a cigar smoking leper with 18 cats and dogs" in your listing.

1. I cant spel two gud!
2. I am a bad photographer!
3. My rats rump is kind of brown, my cousin is a Seal Master Chief, I am selling the knife to get my rats ass rebuilt, and I live in a place to secret to post!
4.Foriegners smell funny (even over the net)!
5.We smoke pipes,(thank you very much), Leprosy, is really not that bad (except for the itching) and ever since Duke killed Puffy we are down to 16 dogs and only 12 cats!!!

I apreciate the advice.
Mike :p

[zenheretic]

1. I cant spel two gud!
2. I am a bad photographer!
3. My rats rump is kind of brown, my cousin is a Seal Master Chief, I am selling the knife to get my rats ass rebuilt, and I live in a place to secret to post!
4.Foriegners smell funny (even over the net)!
5.We smoke pipes,(thank you very much), Leprosy, is really not that bad (except for the itching) and ever since Duke killed Puffy we are down to 16 dogs and only 12 cats!!!

I apreciate the advice.
Mike :p
Sorry to hear about puffy... :p

[Stevie Ray]

few other people realized that Venator is Latin for Hunter
Thanks for taking the time to write this up Paul. I was in the group of folks that just sort of thought it was an different sort of name, but never thought much beyond that. Interesting reading.

[shao.fu.tzer]

Sorry to revive an old post but I have an ATS-55 Pro-Venator (with rubber on the front scale and on the clip with a plain edge. It was purchased this way from a dealer maybe 10 years ago or so. I still have the box around somewhere. I'm pretty sure it's marked as a C13P. I have been looking for any info or pics on this knife all over the internet and have been unable to find anything. It was a gift so I carry it but rarely use it. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the situation.

Sorry, this is the only current pic I have of it. You can figure out which one it is.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/shaofutzer/IMG_5507.jpg

[The Deacon]

Can't really think of anything more to add about it, beyond what's already in this thread, and what's in the Spydiewiki (http://www.spydiewiki.com/index.php?title=C13_Pro-Grip) write up.