Coffee info needed.

[333]

Hello all,

I am searching for the most potent caffiene packed coffee available. :)

See i want to find something that can give me a boost early in the morning, something that can help get through the day. I've tried regular old coffee, drank a whole pot full of it with some milk and it had no effect. I tried some flavored instant coffee, dont remember how much i went through, but it was alot (as in more than a gallon) and it too had no effect. :confused:

I tried energy drinks, drinking several one after another and not a single burst of energy. I tried these little caffiene mint things (mocha flavored), 2 would give the same amount of caffine as an 8 ounce cup of joe, more than 60 of these little mint candy things were ingested within a day and not a thing.

I ask any of you who drink coffee, energy drinks, or other form of energy boost, for help in my quest to find something, anything that can keep me going.


TIA,
333

[Pete1977]

Dunkin donuts lg black- gets me hopped up nice, like ritalin :D and makes me have to pee like I drank a 12 pack!

does the trick when you have to fish at 4 am!

Pete

[smcfalls13]

Wait til vampyrewolf sees this thread, he's the resident coffee guru, he'll be able to give you some ideas.

[Joe Talmadge]

The only thing that will keep you going is consulting with a health professional ... if you're taking all that and still dragging, you've got serious problems that loads of coffee will make worse.

Or, you were purposely exaggerating and everyone could see it but me. But if not, you're going down the wrong path. I'd start by cutting out caffeine, cutting out sugar and any high-glycemic-response foods, and exercise exercise exercise. But first I'd see my doctor.

[rcbalt2]

I think Joe has a point large amounts of caffeine can be bad for your heart. That being said my personal choice is espresso. 1.5 oz has about 20 to 30 mg of caffeine. Get a home espresso machine and make yourself an 8 oz cup. Add sugar and milk to taste. If you’re ever in Louisville, KY, let me know I'll make a nice strong drink for ya. I'd recommend going to a coffee shop but at $4.50 for a latte in two weeks you’d pay for the machine. If this doesn't work check your pulse if you don't have one you might be dead, in witch case I would recommend brains as the undead's food of choice.

[333]

hello all and thanks for the suggestions,


Dunkin donuts lg black- gets me hopped up nice, like ritalin and makes me have to pee like I drank a 12 pack!

I hadnt thought of that one, but i dont think there is a dunkin donuts around here. (Small town)


The only thing that will keep you going is consulting with a health professional ... if you're taking all that and still dragging, you've got serious problems that loads of coffee will make worse.

Or, you were purposely exaggerating and everyone could see it but me. But if not, you're going down the wrong path. I'd start by cutting out caffeine, cutting out sugar and any high-glycemic-response foods, and exercise exercise exercise. But first I'd see my doctor.

No i am not exagerating, i find no need to when truth is always stranger and alot more fun.
I think i should've put some more details on those little incedents. Drinking the whole pot of coffee was over a year ago, i did that to A) to see if i would get a boost, B) it was a dare since my coworker drank one the day before.
The instant coffee was as i said, i drank that because it just tasted good, mocha flavoured, no boost from that but a bad stomach ache.

The energy drinks were Full Throttle, Monster, Von Dutch, and one more whos name i forget at the moment. They gave me no boost either, although i find ther taste quite appealing to me, especially von dutch. And the little mint things were like 32 or 36 mints per tin, i ate two tin fulls, they tasted ok, until you get to the second tin, where it leaves a very nasty after taste.

I actually thought about going to a docter see i have never been hyper, most prescription drugs have no real affect on me, with the excpetion of my headaches I am fit as a fiddle. :)

333

[zenheretic]

I actually thought about going to a docter see i have never been hyper, most prescription drugs have no real affect on me, with the excpetion of my headaches I am fit as a fiddle. :)

333
Hey there 333. Joe beat me too it, but the first thought that went through my head was to get your Thyroid checked. Also maybe more sleep. The majority of people claim they need less than 8 hours, but many people actually need about 9 to truly function at peak efficiency.

As far as most prescrioption drugs having no effect, unless you are a serious drug abuser, you couldn't possibly know that, considering the 30000-40000 different drug entities allowed in this country (conservative estimate). :rolleyes:

[java]

Coffees are basically from two separate species. Most of the coffees we use here are varietals of the arabica species whereas most under-developed countries use robusta because it is cheaper and hardier. Robusta beans also have higher caffeine content but yield a harsher tasting coffee. You can still find robusta beans at places like Sweet Maria's (http://sweetmarias.com/) as a novelty. I buy my green beans for home roasting here but they will roast and grind to your request.

You can also start drinking espresso but I would refrain from that burnt Starbuck's automated crap if you value your taste buds. Find a local shop and talk to the owner. Different varitals have different caffeine content and they should be able to steer you to a good blend/roast. Many groceries now stock a variety of coffees and you may find one that stocks a fine espresso like Miscela d'Oro or Medaglia D'Oro. (Medaglia D'Oro also now sells an "instant" espresso coffee). Try some Vietnamese ice coffee, cafe sua-da, or its Thai counterpart, cafe yen, at a resturant. The Vietnamese version is interesting to watch being made and you can buy one of the coffee press/strainers and their potent coffee at any Asian market. You can also pick up Cafe du Monde (with or without chicory) and it is a French Cajun roast often used in cafe sua-da.

Watch the caffeine intake if you're popping No Doz or one of the other OTC caffeine tabs. Caffeine can kill in high doses. It can also cause the stomach problems you've experienced and other health problems like atrial fibrillation. Check with your doc if you have stomach distress,extreme nervousness, or heart palpitations.

Thinkgeek.com (http://www.thinkgeek.com/index.shtml) has a whole section devoted to caffeine products and picker-uppers. Everything from Bawls to caffeine mints. The only energy drink that works for me though is called Go Fast. It has better taste than Red Bull and less sugar etc. I don't know how widespread their distrbution is but you can buy it at Sam's Club occassionally. You can also order and read more on Go Fast at their web site Go Fast (http://www.gofastsports.com/)

Thinkgeek.com used to stock a coffee that was in fused with yerba matte. Matte is the picker-upper for way south of the border. I haven't seen it for a while but Fussion is marketing an Extreme Blend that has yerba matte, guarna, and lord only knows what else infused in their coffee. http://www.fusioncoffee.com/community03.htm






Wait til vampyrewolf sees this thread, he's the resident coffee guru, he'll be able to give you some ideas.

I am confused by this statement :confused: Do I now turn in my avatar and forum name??????

;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/tankajava/Coffee/SleepyCup.gif

[zenheretic]

I am confused by this statement :confused: Do I now turn in my avatar and forum name??????

;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/tankajava/Coffee/SleepyCup.gif
Haha Java, you stayed away too long and many people forgot your wisdom.

I heard recently that the Robusta bean has more fat (imagine considering the name robusta) than the Arabica bean. Regular robusta bean users suffer higher cholesterol than users of the arabica bean. Since the robusta bean has a stronger flavor, it is often used for decaff. coffee because the decaffinating process takes out a lot of the flavor. This yields some irony as decaff users frequently use decaf for health reasons...yet may actually suffer more health problems in the long run. :rolleyes:

[Texas guy]

Monster energy drink is like crack for me, that stuff makes me feel all hyped up and it last for a long time. I was addicted to Monster for a time, and didn't feel right unless I had my daily can. I also drink coffee alot. I usually buy Eight O'clock Coffee in the whole bean and grind it myself and I always brew with filtered water. When people come over and have my coffee they always complement. I think that fresh ground beans and clean/filtered water is very important to a good cup of coffee. I usually drink mine black, but will sometimes put whipped cream in it srictly if it is homemade whip cream, NEVER the canned crap. I hardly ever drink coffee or Monster in the morning, but usually in the afternoon when I start getting tired and need a mid-day second wind.

[smcfalls13]

Haha Java, you stayed away too long and many people forgot your wisdom.

He's right, please accept my apologies, I believe I joined during your abscence, or never had the pleasure of meeting you on here, and given my obvious lack of paying attention, I neglected to actually use my brain for once ;)

One would expect someone with a forum name of Java to know a thing or two about coffee. :p

I blame my lack of caffeine for the brain dysfunction.

[EarthDog]

Hi 333,

Interesting thread. I do enjoy my coffee; although I don't have the expert knowledge and passion for coffee of Java or Vamprewolf. I just love the flavor of rich, strong coffee.

The coffee that has the greatest "buzz" effect on me is the Vietnamese coffee Java mentioned. Cafe su da in the iced variety or Cafe nam if hot. I have to be careful to have only one.

And I do have to endorse Joe's comments. If you are dragging, see a doc. A variety of medical conditions can produce the sort of results you are experiencing. Many of them are easily managed with meds.

Best regards to all,

[ATR216]

Java is Sooo right about that Viet coffee....I had some in a local Vietnamese Restraunt a few years ago and it had the effect of a whole pot of expresso...but it sure tasted good :) .....William

[java]

Haha Java, you stayed away too long and many people forgot your wisdom.

I heard recently that the Robusta bean has more fat (imagine considering the name robusta) than the Arabica bean. Regular robusta bean users suffer higher cholesterol than users of the arabica bean. Since the robusta bean has a stronger flavor, it is often used for decaff. coffee because the decaffinating process takes out a lot of the flavor. This yields some irony as decaff users frequently use decaf for health reasons...yet may actually suffer more health problems in the long run. :rolleyes:



Good points and nice play on the robusta moniker. Robusta presents a few intersting paradoxes. Most folks are also unaware that some of the commercial coffees may be cut with small amounts of robusta for filler.

Are you going to the SHOT or the Las Vegas Custom Knifemaker Classic Show at the Mandalay Bay this weekend?





.......and given my obvious lack of paying attention, I neglected to actually use my brain for once

Been there. Done that. Got the T-Shirt. No apologies needed. I've been doing more silent observing than active posting. Perhaps recaffeination of the new masses is in order.......


One would expect someone with a forum name of Java to know a thing or two about coffee.

I blame my lack of caffeine for the brain dysfunction.

At least you can function - dys or not - for a while sans caffeine, whereas I.......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/tankajava/Coffee/CoffeeKill.jpg

Well, you get the picture...... :D

[CKE]

Nothing like a good caffine thread to get Java back in the action :D Good to see you back! Hey, were is VW come to think of it....he is our number 2 guru on THE BEAN!!!!!

Personally, I prefer to buy Starbucks dark roasts(Sumatra and French Roast are my Favs with Sulawesi being my favourite coffee bean bar none) I have to buy Starbucks as they are the only good coffee shop in town. I grind my own beans and have the Cusinart coffee maker that fliters the water...it is an amazing machine. I will invest in an espresso machine in the future though. I love my Bodum as well, nothing compares to a great pressed coffee!


I would check with your Dr though...could be some underlying problems.

Take Care

Craig

[Irish Lager]

I agree, Pat must make an appearence in this thread. After all, id be willing to bet he is the biggest coffee drinker alive. Or close to it.
J

[java]

Hey Craig,

How goes everything in T-Bay.

Shoot, dude. With all the French influence up yonder I would think you would be packed with good coffee houses with herds of dark French roasts. I'm shocked that all you have is Starbuck's. :eek: Maybe I should roast up some special for you and send it to the Great White North. If you like Sulawesi, I could roast up a pound of Sulawesi Toraja Grade 1 and wing it your way. Let me know how you want it roasted.....I think I still have your snail mail. I could use a lanyard when I finish the 3-Finger knife I'm working on.....(Hint. Hint.) :D

No word here on Patrick.....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/tankajava/Coffee/JavaFireCup.gif

[MacTech]

my current coffee addictions are from 2 local miniroasters;

Carpe Diem Thunderbolt Blend (http://www.carpediemcoffee.com/category/coffee.blends/) (bottom of the page), a powerful "hi-test" coffee that isn't bitter....

Green Mountain Coffee's "Exotic Origin" Tanzanian Peaberry (http://www.greenmountaincoffee.com/prdCoffee.aspx?Name=TanzanianPeaberry)

normally, i'm *not* a coffee fan, i'll drink it if i need the caffiene, but my preferred method of caffienation is Moxie's energy drink, cheaper than Red Bull for a larger container, and has a nice citrussy flavour

however, GMCR Tanzanian Peaberry is *ADDICTIVE*, the first coffee i'd consider walking around with an I.V. drip of ;), normally i have one cup of coffee at the start of the workday, but with Tanz. Peaberry, i've been brewing up 2+ pots, it also seems to have a lot more caffiene than normal coffees, i get more of a buzz off Peaberry....

[vampyrewolf]

Hey, had some funnot really of my own on friday...

got home for about 20min after class(0400ish-0424), my sister called me to help with groceries since she threw her back again... I'm home for about 20min again(1900ish-1925) after 3hrs with her, and then spent until 0430 fixing a computer... home at 0500, slept till 1200 with more than enough booze as I fixed the computer.

Worked on my school stuff(my power supply is almost done, another 3-4hrs total left) and vegged today... get to study again tomorrow night for tuesday's midterm... ugh.

[zenheretic]

Are you going to the SHOT or the Las Vegas Custom Knifemaker Classic Show at the Mandalay Bay this weekend?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/tankajava/Coffee/CoffeeKill.jpg


Java, Doh! didn't know about the custom show and have to work 12 hour nights this weekend so no.... :(

The Shot show doesn't accept an RPh license as a vaild entry application so can't get into that one either. :rolleyes:

[vampyrewolf]

ok, now that I've read through the replies...

My usual morning pot is either Kona(I get mine through Chad ["Daywalker" on here]) or Kicking Horse Expresso[nice local coffee, hell of a kick when you make it strong without being bitter].

I had about 18 varieties of beans here last year, down to about a dozen now, need to stock up again soon(down to about 7-8lbs left of the 30lbs ish I had).

1: pre-ground coffee goes stale in 2 days exposed to air. Buy beans and a grinder... grinders can be had for about 15-20cad for a decent one.

2: machines. bodum press makes DAMN good coffee if you have time to learn how to use em. Grind with a burr mill for best results, can set your grind so you get little residue in your cup. If you get a drip pot, get one with a mesh basket, avoid paper at all costs. I recently upgraded to a Melitta Mill & Brew. Grinds & brews on alarm, I wake up at 6am to the grinder going... stainless permanent basket, I'm not going back to paper after this.

3: beans. Find a flavour balance you like, and play with the amounts. I use roughly an ounce to a 12 cup pot. 1.5 with the expresso. Just shy of an ounce with the 10 cup pot I have now. I personally prefer a lighter body for my 6am pot, a rich flavour for my 4pm pot, and 'slap you awake' body for my night pot. Currently those are 'Kicking Horse' Expresso or Haulalai Estates Kona, Sumatran Iskandar and Sumatran Gayoland (dark roast) or Tanzanian Peaberry for those pots in order...

4: roast. I find medium-dark fits my perferences. I'll drink a dark roast if it's all I can find, but prefer the medium roast. I can usually gauge the strength of my coffee by colour. I get a reddish pot of coffee with an ounce of beans and medium roast.

The highest caffine content I've got so far is Tanzanian Peaberry at 1.42%... columbian & arabican beans are 1.25%, kona is 1.32, iskandar is 1.34... brain is shot or I'd list the numbers for most of my bean selections.

Decent coffee is 10-36usd per pound, but price doesn't always define it. I got my iskandar for 16usd/lb, the tanzanian was 11usd/lb. The BEST coffee I have is Yauco Selecto, but I only have 2oz left of it, so I'm saving it. At 36usd/lbs it's hard to find. My other 'rare' one is the Gautemalan Antiqua, but thats only because my source only gets it twice a year, I make my pound of it stretch out.

If you want a HIGH caffine kick, concentrate black tea. Toss 5-6 teabags in a 2litre, and let it soak overnight, pour it out into smaller bottles and chug away.

A similar thing can be done with coffee, called Toddy Coffee. Again, let it sit. Think it's 1/4 cup (ish) of grounds to a litre of water, 1 cup to a gallon. 24hrs minimum... then strain it through a cloth. SMOOTH, acid free(same way a bodum press does, in small amounts though), strong coffee. Can chill the smaller bottles and they'll smack you awake.

[vampyrewolf]

I was at 3 pots a day a year ago... was in physio for my wrist and was told to cut it down(even though my pulse stayed the same without coffee for a month of hell). I put it back to 2-3 pots a day again, still holding the same pulse for the last 5-6yrs... so coffee intake has no effect on my heart rate, proven already.

I don't notice having caffine as much as NOT having it. I get more than 6hrs of sleep and I have a migrane all day. I miss my morning coffee and I've got the same migrane irregardless of getting 3-4hrs of sleep (if possible, usually closer to 2hrs).

I've had a grand total of 27hrs of sleep in the last week. 7hrs this morning, 0500-1200... thursday and friday I was running on about 2hrs with my shoulder bugging me. Caffine is keeping the migrane under control.

[smcfalls13]

Caffine is keeping the migrane under control.

You may very well be addicted to the caffeine. It can happen.

[zenheretic]

Hey VW, I wouldn't expect the coffee to affect your heart rate anymore. Coffee usually only affects a coffee naive patient,not someone who imbides the doses you are used to.

As far as migraines, if you haven't tried yet, suck on ice cubes, popcycles, or suck down a slush fast enough to create brain freeze. Most migraines are caused by expanded blood vessels in the brain. Since cold causes vessels to restrict, it theoretically would relieve the pressure; some brain freeze has worked for some people.

Personally, I suspect your migraines are caffeine caused, but I'm not a medical doctor so my opinion is moot.

[vampyrewolf]

I find my migranes to be sleep related... more than 6hrs gives me a migrane, irregardless of caffine.

Doesn't matter if I haven't had a cup in the last month, if I get more than 6hrs of sleep, I have a migrane that won't go away. So I aim for 4hrs of sleep. Should see me when I crash and get 12hrs of sleep... I may as well just sleep b/c I'm useless anyways, but then I have an even worse one the next day... so I run for another 20-24hrs before going to sleep again because usually by then the migrane is under control... ugh.

Migranes and pulse were the reasons that physio had me cut out caffine for a month. My RESTING pulse is 126/78... not bad at 6'0 and 185lbs.... but thats also the average rate for a 40yr old.

[zenheretic]

I find my migranes to be sleep related... more than 6hrs gives me a migrane, irregardless of caffine.

Doesn't matter if I haven't had a cup in the last month, if I get more than 6hrs of sleep, I have a migrane that won't go away.
I'll drop it after this, but the above quote fraction just points further to the caffeine bro. The first sign of caffeine withdrawal is a headache. You are likely a fast metaboliser of caffeine (efficient liver enzymes, many people are slow metabolisers meaning they are the ones who suffer every drug side effect known to man), being a fast metoboliser you probably reach zero caffeine at about 4 hours of sleep...then body goes in withdrawal, headache kicks in strong enough to awake you at 6 hours. I know you are smart dude, do the research yourself, assuming you aren't afflicted with major denial, I'm pretty confident you will reach the same conclusion. ;)

[vampyrewolf]

And what do you mean about the doses... I do perfectly well killing a pot in 3hrs myself :p Also have no problem drinking a pot from 2100-0000 and going to bed at 0100 for my 4-5hrs of sleep. I'm sure most ppl would be awake till the early hours the next day doing that, but I haven't figured out yet if a coffee IV would hurt me much.

I know that I'm not going to be able to consume enough to OD on caffine anyways.. TD_50 is 10 GRAMS of caffine for an 80kg person... doesn't seem like much till you consider that theres about 150mg in a cup of columbian(at 1.25%)... so that tanzanian at 1.42 would be around 175-200mg/cup... 10grams at 175mg each is 58 cups in 24hrs... I kill 30-36cups a day no problem, could easily double that as far as time goes(3 hours to a pot, 5 pots is only 15hrs), and I'd put money on being perfectly fine and more than happy.

[vampyrewolf]

message tag!

I know that my metabolizm rate is high... painkillers are pretty much pointless with me, I can go through enough to knock most ppl out and have it barely touch me[so think how I feel when I'm in pain.... and by the time they should be working it's gone].... can get away with downing a nausiating amount of food and not gain a pound(which really pisses some ppl off :D )... heal nice and fast too[the dog got me on thursday, thumb was flowing from a 1/4" cut, I've got a small tag of skin to clean up but I only had it bandaged for the night].

worth looking into the numbers at least... should see how fast most ppl metabolize caffine, more research to do.

[zenheretic]

message tag!

worth looking into the numbers at least... should see how fast most ppl metabolize caffine, more research to do.
Look into the withdrawal too! ;) :p

[vampyrewolf]

Regular caffeine consumption reduces sensitivity to caffeine. When caffeine intake is reduced, the body becomes oversensitive to adenosine. In response to this oversensitiveness, blood pressure drops dramatically, causing an excess of blood in the head (though not necessarily on the brain), leading to a headache.

This headache, well known among coffee drinkers, usually lasts from one to five days, and can be alleviated with analgesics such as aspirin. It is also alleviated with caffeine intake (in fact several analgesics contain caffeine dosages).

Often, people who are reducing caffeine intake report being irritable, unable to work, nervous, restless, and feeling sleepy, as well as having a headache. In extreme cases, nausea and vomiting has also been reported.

References.

Caffeine and Health. J. E. James, Academic Press, 1991. Progress in Clinical and Biological Research Volume 158. G. A. Spiller, Ed. Alan R. Liss Inc, 1984.

how's that? :p

[vampyrewolf]

Chemistry. Caffeine is 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine and is structurally related to uric acid. Caffeine is metabolized by demethylation and by oxidation7. The major pathway in man proceeds through the forma*tion of paraxanthine (1,7-dimethylxanthine), leading to the principal urinary metabolites, l-methyl*xanthine, 1-methyluric acid, and an acetylated uracil derivative. Minor pathways involve the for*mation and metabolism of theophylline and theo*bromine8. There is no evidence that the methylxanthines are converted to uric acid or that their ingestion exac*erbates gout.

There is inter-individual variation in the rate of elimination of methylxanthines due to both genetic and environmental factors, and fourfold differences are not uncommon9. In most patients the drug obeys first-order elimination kinetics within the therapeutic range. However, at higher concentrations zero-order kinetics becomes evident be*cause of saturation of metabolic enzymes. This prolongs the decline of caffeine concentrations.

The disposition of methylxanthines is also influ*enced by the presence of other agents or of disease. For exam*ple, cigarette smoking and oral contraceptives produce small but appreciable increases in methylxanthine clearance. The half-life of theophylline can be quite prolonged in patient with hepatic cirrhosis, congestive heart failure, or acute pulmonary congestion and values of more than 60 hours have been observed.

Caffeine has a half-life in plasma of 3 to 7 hours; this increases by about twofold in women during the later stages of pregnancy or with long-term use of oral contraceptive steroids. In premature infants, the rate of elimination of methylxanthines is quite slow.

source:http://www.priory.com/pharmol/caffeine.htm


3-7hrs for a 1/2 life.

[zenheretic]

3-7hrs for a 1/2 life.
And using pharmacokinetics you multiply the halflife by 4-5 to see when the caffeine is completely washed out the system. 4x3=12 hours minimum. You suffer withdrawal in 5-6 hours. :eek:

[rcbalt2]

Thanks for suggesting the Tanzanian Peaberry I think I'll order some.

[zenheretic]

And using pharmacokinetics you multiply the halflife by 4-5 to see when the caffeine is completely washed out the system. 4x3=12 hours minimum. You suffer withdrawal in 5-6 hours. :eek:
In layman's terms, your liver can benchpress a Volkswagon bug! :p

[vampyrewolf]

brain... making me think.... might have to go research 1/2 life ratios now...
this is why I didn't go into medicine :p I don't want to memorize tables and rates, already have enough useless info floating up there,

Should see how many formulas and variables I have to memorize for electronics though, the medical ppl in my family make as much sense from it as I do from the medical tables(actually, I have a very basic understanding of them with my grade 11 chem).

Have 2 pages of formulas for tuesday's midterm that I have to memorize and know which one plugs where... should be interesting.

[333]

Hello all,

First of all let me thank all those who replied, I will definitely look into the different coffees that were mentioned, but have decided that maybe takeing huge amounts of caffiene would not be good for me.

I try to always control myself and have begun thinking that perhaps that much caffeine, would interfere with my self control. Although i am still interested in researching coffee. I have always enjoyed the smell of coffee, my sense of smell is quite weak but the aroma of coffee has always drawn me. :)

I see signs, messages and other such odd thing in me and around me, and a (that) part of me is making me think that maybe i should not be trying to speed myself up but instead i should try to relax. That maybe if i could relax a little and not worry i would not really need the boost. That i could get rid of a little bit of the stress and worry i got going on right now; and as such maybe work and feel a little better.

Well its really late here, I just polished off a Von Dutch and a Monster Assault, going to catch some ZZZs

Good night/morning
333

BTW would anyone know of some teas that are relaxing?

[MacTech]

The highest caffine content I've got so far is Tanzanian Peaberry at 1.42%... columbian & arabican beans are 1.25%, kona is 1.32, iskandar is 1.34... brain is shot or I'd list the numbers for most of my bean selections.


so it *wasn't* psychosomatic, Peaberry actually *IS* one of the stronger coffees then, i thought so, after all, a few days ago, i had a cup of it around 4 PM, and couldn't get to sleep until 3 AM, and most coffee doesn't even affect me....

good to know

[Joe Talmadge]

Hello all,

First of all let me thank all those who replied, I will definitely look into the different coffees that were mentioned, but have decided that maybe takeing huge amounts of caffiene would not be good for me.


BTW would anyone know of some teas that are relaxing?

Good decision. I'd still urge you, given what little you've said, to talk to a doctor. Drinking so much stimulants and still being fatigued is a bad sign. It could be something physical ... you could be slightly anemic, you could be pre-diabetic, etc. Or it could be psychological; I have some friends who are doctors, and they told me the majority of people who are fatigued are depressed, whether mildly or more acutely. If you're exercising regularly and still this fatigued ...

For relaxing teas, you want something without caffeine. That means an herb tea, like chamomile.