Who will buy a pikal ? [Archive]

arzh

07-01-2006, 08:58 AM

i found this on TPI forum
it will really be cool
can not wait ;)

Sorry for the delay guys. We do our best. It's got to be right. This piece must have "real world" reliability. I would have trouble sleeping if a tool that we provided failed and someone was hurt because of the failure.

The piece was well designed by Snarc, Trace and myself. Now it must be well built.

Current plan is regular availablility. Shivworks will no doubt have them.

We will promote primarily to Law enforcement professionals, but the P'kal should present no distribution problems. The P'kal is a 3.25" folder with a removable wave. Should be legal in most areas.

The primary "set" will include the "live" piece and a red "drone" in a dual zippered travel case.

We've been showing the piece at many Police & Military shows (as well as dealer and Blade shows) with good results. We've been recommending the Shivworks DVD's to interested parties.

sal

dedguy

07-01-2006, 09:16 AM

i was planning on getting one but the more i look at it the less likley i would ever carry the thing as i'm not into MBC and i'm not sure how well suited to utility it is. i will be getting a Captain for sure though.

arzh

07-01-2006, 09:26 AM

also look for the captain, lava and perrin :cool:
too much to buy
:spyder: is the ultim temptation :D http://yelims1.free.fr/Anges/Ange24.gif

is there someone who have an idea about the price

@rzh :spyder:

smcfalls13

07-01-2006, 09:41 AM

It's a Hawkbill(if I remember correctly). Therefore I will own it, regardless of it's SD orientation.

And I will use it for self defense against cardboard cuts :p If it's tough enough to handle SD, it can handle utility.

Hannibal Lecter

07-01-2006, 09:45 AM

Dear Friends,

The Pikal is one of THE blades I MUST get when it comes out! Rarely have I been so excited by a knife!

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Hannibal

dedguy

07-01-2006, 09:45 AM

well my main concern is that the handle seems to have a very strong bias for a single holding position (tip down, edge in) which fo rmy day-to-day purposes isn't all that usable.

also i'm just trying to justify not buying one since i don't have that much money these days (reidulous dental bills are piling up), and like has been said... the Lava and Captain are coming out as well as the ZDP-189 Chinese.

rwheet

07-01-2006, 09:49 AM

Count me in!

tomso

07-01-2006, 10:41 AM

The Pikal is one of THE blades I MUST get when it comes out! Rarely have I been so excited by a knife!

Same here! A bit worried about the price. Hope it won't be too expensive. I handled it at A'dam show and it was one of the knifes that really impresed me.

BlackNinja

07-01-2006, 11:04 AM

well my main concern is that the handle seems to have a very strong bias for a single holding position (tip down, edge in) which fo rmy day-to-day purposes isn't all that usable.
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It's not intended for utility, but, IIRC, for SD. I think this one is going to be a lot like the Gunting in regards to function. It looks very *specialized,* but that's what will draw me to it :D . YMMV!

Hannibal, I can feel your excitement here in Central, NY! :p :D I'm sure you're really looking forward to this baby, as am I! :D

knightrider

07-01-2006, 11:18 AM

I waiting to get one as well. Very excited. This new one I'll actually be able to get as it isn't a sprint run. My waved Endura and Delica are alot of fun, so this one should be even better! :)

ruxton

07-01-2006, 12:01 PM

So it's still going to be sold as a package with a trainer and a special pouch... Excellent, although I would buy one anyway even if it didn't come with a trainer. I'm really looking forward to this one, I've been lurking under another name on TPI since I heard about the P'kal, the more I learn about tip-down edge-in the more I like it :D

sal

07-01-2006, 01:00 PM

Like the Gunting, the Ronin, Yojimbo, Lil Temperance, Maddox and to a lesser extent, the Chinook, the purpose design does influence the form.

Although as Snarc & Trace point out, many normal cuts are "pull" cuts and the edge up config does work well.

But in reality, it is a specialized design and like our other specialized designs, they all performed very well for the design purpose. The long term size of the market has yet to be determined. :confused: But it has been a fun and enlightening project.

We did get positive response from undercover and plain clothes guys at special shows. I don't think there is anything else quite like it on the market, the closest being the waved D4.

We're all looking forward to begin shipping the "new" :p Shivworks/Spyderco P'kal folder & trainer.

sal

smcfalls13

07-01-2006, 01:13 PM

Will it only be sold as a set with the trainer? Or will it also be available as just a live blade, for those who have every intention of not using it for it's intended purpose ;)

Looking at the handle, it just begs to go to work with me. :cool:

Michael Cook

07-01-2006, 01:52 PM

:spyder: Aknife that works in pakal both edge in and edge out? Yeah, I'm buyin' one of those :) :spyder:

sal

07-01-2006, 02:17 PM

Hi Smcfalls,

both.

Hey Michael, it does work better edge in than edge out (in reverse).

For your "both" request, you might consider a waved D4.

sal

Dr. Snubnose

07-01-2006, 02:56 PM

If you subscribe to the methods of SouthNarc how could you not buy one? I'm in!!!!!....Doc :D

smcfalls13

07-01-2006, 03:12 PM

Hi Smcfalls,

both.

Thank you sir :cool:

4 s ter

07-01-2006, 03:14 PM

I've been waiting and watching this knife develop for a long time. I'm looking forward to owning one (and a Shivworks reverse-edge techniques DVD).

BlackNinja

07-01-2006, 04:03 PM

I've been waiting and watching this knife develop for a long time. I'm looking forward to owning one (and a Shivworks reverse-edge techniques DVD).
So, does a training DVD come with it, or do I buy that seperate?

Gerard Breuker

07-01-2006, 04:30 PM

I can't remember how often I have been looking at threads about the P'kal.
I will definitely buy the set and the DVDs and I do intend to use the trainer as soon as I have some spare time left. The live blade will probably mostly be gathering dust as I have no plans to carry it yet.

WORKER#9

07-01-2006, 04:34 PM

I will get one to play with. It is quite unique.

Chucula

07-01-2006, 05:00 PM

4 s ter

07-01-2006, 07:15 PM

So, does a training DVD come with it, or do I buy that seperate?

As far as I know, you'll have to buy it separately.

zenheretic

07-01-2006, 07:30 PM

:cool: Well I'm in for one set...probably track down the dvd as well. If I really like it....well just look at my Ronin pictures... :o

Just think, the name will go great in court: "Well sir, I was backed into corner and was forced to defend myself, all I had was my pickle, so I defended myself with my pickle." :D

Now considering Hannibal's building excitement, I sensing a psychic humm building somewhere on the East Coast...I have to assume him that is. :p

Hannibal Lecter

07-01-2006, 08:21 PM

My Dear Zen,

Now considering Hannibal's building excitement, I sensing a psychic humm building somewhere on the East Coast...I have to assume him that is. :p

Oh, yes. That's me. Sorry about the hum... :D

--------
Hannibal

smcfalls13

07-01-2006, 08:30 PM

Now considering Hannibal's building excitement, I sensing a psychic humm building somewhere on the East Coast...I have to assume him that is. :p

Oh trust me, it's him. You should be on the East Coast, it's near deafening over here :p Like a psychic jackhammer. :cool:

Hannibal Lecter

07-01-2006, 09:00 PM

My Dear Scott,

Oh trust me, it's him. You should be on the East Coast, it's near deafening over here :p Like a psychic jackhammer. :cool:

So sorry, my friend. How can you even sleep at night? I certainly can't... ;)

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Hannibal

zenheretic

07-01-2006, 09:02 PM

David Lowry

07-01-2006, 09:04 PM

I don't know what a pikal is. If it's self defense related then, no I will not buy it. If it's a normal knife then maybe.

Hannibal Lecter

07-01-2006, 09:15 PM

My Dear David,

I don't know what a pikal is. If it's self defense related then, no I will not buy it. If it's a normal knife then maybe.

Yes, the Pikal is strictly a self-defense knife. :cool:

--------
Hannibal

David Lowry

07-01-2006, 09:20 PM

Thanks Hannibal. :) I figured you all must know what it is with a 3 page thread. :D

Cheers mate,
David :)

yablanowitz

07-01-2006, 09:30 PM

It may be intended for SD, but it should work for utility, at least for some tasks. I carried a Kershaw Talon for a work knife for a couple of years, and found out years later it was supposed to be a tactical folder, best suited for pikal (or pakal, depending on who you ask) style. It certainly worked for the job I had at the time, when I did a lot less scraping on flat surfaces. So don't let that SD tag fool you, these guys just want more for themselves :D

dedguy

07-01-2006, 09:48 PM

i don't want Sal or anyone else getting the wrong idea, i think it's a brilliant knife and would buy one and just stick it on a shelf if i had all the money in the world, but i don't. so when i buy a knife i like it to be one i will use and carry even if it's way more knife than i actually "need".

smcfalls13

07-01-2006, 10:17 PM

My Dear Scott,

So sorry, my friend. How can you even sleep at night? I certainly can't... ;)

--------
Hannibal

Yes Scott how can you sleep with ants overruning your house, and "centipedes" controlling your brain... :eek:

Have you guys noticed the strange hours I'm usually on the Forum? I don't sleep :cool:

I'm up late discussing the impending invasion with the Queen Centipede. We have several strategies we're kicking around. But first we need to eliminate the ants. They're obviously spies ;) .

Perhaps an amplification of the good Doctor Lecters psychic hum could be used as a weapon to annihilate the six legged intruders.

*insert maniacal laugh here*

... :cool: ...

Back to the Pikal.

I don't think that even though it's designed as a SD knife, that it's ONLY use is SD. Heck the Gunting was designed as an SD knife, but one of the ones I used to have was used by an Electrician, and he swore it was a great knife for that kind of work. The Civilian is used for harvesting mushrooms as well.

I'm sure I can find a utilitarian use for the Pikal.

donutsrule

07-01-2006, 10:31 PM

I was the third person to post in the original Spyderco Pikal thread on bladeforums ... in June, 2004. :eek:

You bet I'm gonna be buying the set. I've been holding off buying REM I and II hoping someone will sell a complete package of all 4 (the knives and the discs) at some meager discount. ;)

Mr Blonde

07-02-2006, 04:01 AM

I'll get one for sure, I'm glad it will be offered as a set.

Wouter

zenheretic

07-02-2006, 04:03 AM

I'll get one for sure, I'm glad it will be offered as a set.

Wouter
Yes the trainer won't suffer the same fate as the Yojimbo trainer...

Piet.S

07-02-2006, 04:16 AM

ruxton

07-02-2006, 06:40 AM

Thanks Hannibal. :) I figured you all must know what it is with a 3 page thread. :D

Cheers mate,
David :)
From Ted's Amsterdam pictures thread...

P'KAL

Very technical knife. Lot's of interesting features like the removable wave. The small ball-lock with the release piece. Very scary when Sal deploys it in a few nano seconds :O

http://www.spydie.nl/show2006/pkal.jpg

Michael Cook

07-02-2006, 08:39 AM

I don't know what a pikal is. If it's self defense related then, no I will not buy it. If it's a normal knife then maybe.

:spyder: It's a term from the Tagalog language. Pakal means tip-down, it doesn't imply edge-in or out but has been popularized to commonly mean tip down edge in. :spyder:

JD Spydo

07-02-2006, 09:49 AM

The mass perception of what Hawkbills mean to a lot of people and their first initial reaction to Hawkbill designs is always "Self Defense" and/or Martial Arts.

Yes they have that capacity but I have been carrying some sort of a Hawkbill for over a year and a half and I have found a lot of practical uses for them. Actually SD is just one of maybe 50 legitimate uses that Hawkbill knives have. Also for that reason and the fascination of the Martial Arts crowd has with the Hawkbills have been unduly demonized by the average knife user to a large degree and it has caused the average person to have been grossly overlooked Hawkbill knives as a viable tool for a multitude of jobs.

Yes!! I will be purshasing a P'Kal when they become available for me to purchase. Not only just to add to my Hawkbill collection but to explore what pragmatic uses I can also utilize it for. I am more intrigued with the potential "tool value" of the P'Kal than I am with all the other hoopla that surrounds it. I think it and the Superhawk will be pleasant surprises to the Great Spyder Factory.

Joe Talmadge

07-02-2006, 09:59 AM

I'm hoping that the P'kal will do well enough that Sal and 'Narc will consider a 4" version. I may be helping the cause by buying 2-3.

The P'kal may technically be a hawkbill, but be aware it's barely a hawkbill, just a little bit of curvature. Also, the point is not where you expect it to be on a regular hawkbill. Lastly, it looks like you'll only be able to comfortably hold the knife in pakal or forward grip edge-up, which means you might not be able to use the knife as a regular hawkbill, although we'll have to check that when we have the knife in-hand.

That said, it's perfectly designed for defensive techniques using a pakal grip, so if you're a hawkbill fan, you still might be interested in checking it out.

*** I'm using pakal according to the common internet usage, meaning reverse grip edge in.

Joe

rcbalt2

07-02-2006, 11:12 AM

I'll pick one up and probably the DVD's it looks like a great design and a very well thought out knife.

rwheet

07-02-2006, 11:20 AM

Are there pictures of anyone holding the knife, and drawing it?

Michael Cook

07-02-2006, 11:51 AM

:spyder: As an Aikidoist I have the luxury of training styles and techniques I don't ever intend to use on the street.

Some of the things I train are too overly theoretical and attenuated to be of use in a street defence situation, this is differant from saying they are without worth. Other techniques require a degree of breakfalling skill to recieve safely or spines compress, shulls crush and shoulder or elbow capsules tear or pop. Many of theses techniques could have very effective street application but are lacking in compassion towards the attacker and may appear undue to a jury or court.

Really I'm more concered about a jury impression than what damage an attacker might incur resulting from attacking me, still I want my responce to be reletive to the threat.

S'narc's pekiti tirsia's edge in techniques seem as brutaly effective as anything I've seen.

I do worry about the wound profile that edge-in produces. The wounds are very aggressive and defensive in appearance. For a cop or other serve and save professional who is only interested in getting out of the room or alley alive I can't think of a better system. Cops are quite a bit more protected against civil liability related to life threatening situations. As a civilian with no such protection I worry about the wound profiles edge-in produces making me look like the agressor/attacker and getting my pants sued off later. I don't care to save my life on the street only to have it ruined in court.

Still, for those who are only concerned about making it home alive I can't imagine something more snicker-snack slice-and-dice effective. :spyder:

donutsrule

07-02-2006, 12:42 PM

i was planning on getting one but the more i look at it the less likley i would ever carry the thing as i'm not into MBC and i'm not sure how well suited to utility it is.

It's a virtual wharncliffe (functional, easy to sharpen) S30v blade with a ball lock (very strong), G10 scales (grippy) and choils.

How could it not have utilitarian capabilities? :D

This is no Civilian with a paper-thin-tip and a single mission in mind.

I see it as perfectly completing my EDC with my Dodo: Anything one can't do, the other can. :D :cool: :spyder: :cool: :D

arzh

07-02-2006, 12:46 PM

It's a virtual wharncliffe (functional, easy to sharpen) S30v blade with a ball lock (very strong), G10 scales (grippy) and choils.

How could it not have utilitarian capabilities? :D

This is no Civilian with a paper-thin-tip and a single mission in mind.

I see it as perfectly completing my EDC with my Dodo: Anything one can't do, the other can. :D :cool: :spyder: :cool: :D

for sure i am agree
i am not a martial artist or knife fighter
i just use my knife as an utilitarian
i have also a friend who use his kershaw talon like an EDC and he said to me that it's very usefull
just hope the price will not too high
cheers
@rzh

dedguy

07-02-2006, 12:54 PM

It's a virtual wharncliffe (functional, easy to sharpen) S30v blade with a ball lock (very strong), G10 scales (grippy) and choils.

How could it not have utilitarian capabilities? :D

This is no Civilian with a paper-thin-tip and a single mission in mind.

I see it as perfectly completing my EDC with my Dodo: Anything one can't do, the other can. :D :cool: :spyder: :cool: :D
well the placement of the choils keep it in a P'kal grip and it looks difficult to hold in any other fashion and tip down grip isn't the most utlititarian grip.

donutsrule

07-02-2006, 01:13 PM

well the placement of the choils keep it in a P'kal grip and it looks difficult to hold in any other fashion and tip down grip isn't the most utlititarian grip.

Put your index finger in the lower choil (like a Perrin), put your thumb in the upper choil/against the textured back of the blade spine (like a Chinook) and cut away in edge-away forward grip. :confused:

-or-

Hold it like you would any Swiss Army Knife, ignoring the fact that not every bit of your hand is in contact with every bit of the handle -- not every edge-away forward grip cutting application needs a death (no pun intended) grip. :)

Remember, looks can be deceiving: The Dodo looked nonsensical to me until I held one.

dedguy

07-02-2006, 01:19 PM

yeah... the Dodo's ergo's are amazing. it just falls into my hand, i may give the P'kal a try if money permits and it's available sans-trainer.

smcfalls13

07-02-2006, 01:24 PM

Put your index finger in the lower choil (like a Perrin), put your thumb in the upper choil/against the textured back of the blade spine (like a Chinook) and cut away in edge-away forward grip. :confused:
.

Yup, that was the plan for me.

Hapkidoin

07-02-2006, 01:42 PM

I can be counted on to buy one. I have waited a long time for a design such as this, in a spyder.

Chuck Callahan

Cameron23

07-02-2006, 03:05 PM

I'll probably be getting one depending on price. I already have some of SouthNarc's videos (some are available for download from his site).

But I'll probably be doing a cheaper version just for kicks before it comes, out like the pic below (or I might see if STR will do it).

I've got a fiend on for Warnies. I've always liked them, and now with some sweet :spyder: models that are out (SPIN) or ones that are easily modified (PE Atlantic Salt or PE 83mm Rescues...if you can find one) I'm all giddy. ;)

I think I'll start a new thread for some feedback without highjacking this one. :)

C :spyder: