With all the new Delica 4 variants, I'd like to see

[peacefuljeffrey]

I'd like to be able to have a Delica 4 (possibly a Waved one but I'm not greedy) made with H-1 steel the same as the Salt 1.

Essentially, what I really want, and what would forever be a great EDC knife for me, is a Salt 1 that is made with screw-together construction, I guess.

I wonder if such a thing will come to be...


-Jeffrey

[Andre V]

It would be an awesome knife for sure. I think the problem may come in that the screws would have to be Ti or H1, to prevent rust. Its probably feasable but the cost may rise too much for Sal's liking.

[Halfneck]

From what I heard it would be too expensive to make all the fittings of the Delica 4 in H-1. Got to remember there are liners now too.

[peacefuljeffrey]

From what I heard it would be too expensive to make all the fittings of the Delica 4 in H-1. Got to remember there are liners now too.


Guys, you must be kidding me.

We have people spending as much as $200 or so for ZDP Delicas,
and I present the idea (not for the first time) of a RUST-PROOF Delica 4, and you suggest to me that it might be "too expensive" to make the screws and liners in H-1 to accompany an H-1 blade?

Okay, so you subtract out the cost of the current screws and liners, and add in the cost of getting the H-1 ones done... You take a knife that typically costs what, $50-60 at most retail price points, and you might make it cost how much more? Even if you make it $100 more just for switching screws and liners to H-1, it's still easily in the range that people are paying for their ZDP Delicas! What's the problem?

Of course, I would not expect it to cost that much more. But I would probably be willing to spend up to, I suppose, $80 or so for an all H-1 Delica.

I think they should go ahead and make 'em.


-Jeffrey

[Michael Cook]

:spyder: seems like the salt 1 already fills this niche. Linerless and riveted makes sence for salt water knives. :spyder:

[smcfalls13]

:spyder: seems like the salt 1 already fills this niche. Linerless and riveted makes sence for salt water knives. :spyder:

I agree. The less metal there is, the better suited they are for salt water use.

[peacefuljeffrey]

Uncleanable, undisassemblable makes sense for knives used around salt water? :confused:

Look, to clarify where I'm coming from, I just have a compulsion to be able to tighten and cinch up a knife, and that's why I don't care at all for riveted knives. (That said, I do have a Salt 1 regardless...) I'm not saying that the Salt 1 isn't made well enough, and with the right parts made of H-1 to resist corrosion as the knife is billed, I'm just saying that I think it would be awesome to have, essentially a "Salt" in the form of a Delica 4 redone in H-1.

I just think that the "it'd cost too much to make it all out of H-1" argument falls on its face considering we see people here paying $150-200 for ZDP Delicas and then saying they didn't pay anything out of line for them... :rolleyes:

-Jeffrey

[smcfalls13]

Of course, I would not expect it to cost that much more. But I would probably be willing to spend up to, I suppose, $80 or so for an all H-1 Delica.


I seriously doubt there is a market for that kind of knife. Generally speaking, the people who buy the Salt line of knives are those who work in a Salt water environment, not the casual user who just thinks it's cool to have a rust proof knife.

The guys who use these Salt knives are typically on the water, and they've probably lost more knives in that water than most of us even own. One of the key factors in the popularity of the Salt line is it's low cost. Yes it's rust proof, but for the type of buyer to whom that rust resistance REALLY matters, they want a knife they won't be afraid to lose, and can easily replace.

Pricing it above what it is now would discourage those large chunk of buyers, most of whom I doubt are willing to drop $100 on a knife that may end up at the bottom of the ocean. $40-50 is fine.

[smcfalls13]

I just think that the "it'd cost too much to make it all out of H-1" argument falls on its face considering we see people here paying $150-200 for ZDP Delicas and then saying they didn't pay anything out of line for them... :rolleyes:

Both knives are aimed at completely different markets. The people paying those ZDP prices are collectors, with very few users. Users will wait until the market is saturated, and then pay NORMAL prices. The only reason anyone is paying those prices is because they want to have the new COOL steel on the block before anyone else.

The people that typically buy Salt knives are users, with very few collectors, so adding features that are unnecessary for most people would be pointless.

You may prefer to tweak and disassemble your knife, but the typical knife buyer doesn't think of a knife like a car that needs maintenance and tune ups, but more like a hammer that can be tossed in the tool box. Screwed construction, and extra pieces equals extra maintenance. Riveted, linerless construction is simple and easy to clean(just run it under hot water, and blow dry)

It's really not necessary, nor would it be profitable. I'm sure you'll disagree with me though, so I'll just agree to disagree now, and leave it at that.

[ghostrider]

Seems to me that if you want a Salt like that, then the best thing is to send it to someone like STR.


IIRC, this has been addressed by Sal before.

[peacefuljeffrey]

The people paying those ZDP prices are collectors, with very few users. Users will wait until the market is saturated, and then pay NORMAL prices. ...
The people that typically buy Salt knives are users, with very few collectors, so adding features that are unnecessary for most people would be pointless.

This flies in the face of most of what I have read around here and BF. I have read countless posts of people talking about using their ZDP Delicas for EDC. Talking about their experiences testing them, using them, how well they cut, how easy or not they are to sharpen. Who sharpens a knife they intend to keep as a collectible?

Granted, I have not seen posts from the owners of all 1200 ZDP Delicas, but plenty nonetheless to get a sense that many of those so interested in obtaining these knives are doing so because they love the performance of the steel, i.e. they plan to use the knives.



It's really not necessary, nor would it be profitable. I'm sure you'll disagree with me though, so I'll just agree to disagree now, and leave it at that.

If I'm disagreeing, I'm doing it in good faith, and articulating my points, views and opinions. I'm not sniping or making drive-by arguments just for argument's sake. It's hardly trolling or something, and please don't flatter yourself by thinking it's just to go tete-a-tete with you. I'm generally not so capricious.

And for what it's worth, if any seafaring people have such a problem losing knife after knife after knife, I suggest they just go find themselves a pile of sharp flint to use. Anyone who can't learn the lesson of "use a lanyard" after losing "more knives to the sea than most of us will own" must have an H-1 rivet loose. :rolleyes:

-Jeffrey

[Slvgx]

This topic has already been discussed numerous times. Sal has also given his reasons why he doesn't see it happening.

If you are willing to pay extra for a rust proof Delica, then I suggest you pay someone to do it for you.

[mr.vu]

Here's an idea(if you don't like it, its ok):

1. Get D4 handles. Maybe find a D4 with a broken blade for cheap?

I found some 110s on ebay with the blade that has been used up for cheap. Going to send them in to Buck to be rebladed in BG-42. Old 110(~$10) + reblade in BG42(~$40) = BG-42 110(~$50). Sweet

2. Get a Salt I.

3. Wave the Salt I blade.

4. Scrap the steel liners and screws and make em out of a non-ferrous material.

5. Put it together.

Someone with metal working tools could do it. *Cough* STR *Cough*

I hope the blades are interchangeable. Or atleast can be modified to be. If not, I dunno.

Vu

[smcfalls13]

This flies in the face of most of what I have read around here and BF. I have read countless posts of people talking about using their ZDP Delicas for EDC. Talking about their experiences testing them, using them, how well they cut, how easy or not they are to sharpen. Who sharpens a knife they intend to keep as a collectible?

I haven't seen very many of those posts, I've seen more pictures of new ZDP knives than I have discussions how well they sharpen. I have however, seen a large number of "I wish I could get one so I could use it" posts. Perhaps I'm not paying attention closely enough, I'll admit I only half heartedly follow the ZDP craze. I've seen plenty of ZDP discussion regarding the Caly Jr, but very little on the Delicas.




If I'm disagreeing, I'm doing it in good faith, and articulating my points, views and opinions. I'm not sniping or making drive-by arguments just for argument's sake. It's hardly trolling or something, and please don't flatter yourself by thinking it's just to go tete-a-tete with you. I'm generally not so capricious.

Don't misunderstand what I meant by that post, I just know that you and I tend to disagree on topics like this, and we inevitably debate back and forth(as we're doing now). I firmly believe that most of the ZDP knives are in collector's hands, you obviously disagree. We can debate who is right all day, but in the end there's no way to prove it one way or the other, so it's all speculation. That was my only point. Kinda like JD Spydo and the Deacon, I think you and I are fated to disagree, but there's nothing wrong with that. Keeps everything interesting. :cool: