Which Knives are MBC Knives?

[Sirius]

I have been lurking here since a friend told me to check out the MBC Forum after taking MBC training in Colorado. I have to say that I am impressed with the quality of posts and the obvious knowledge of those here. I have very much appreciated all I have read. I have several Spydercos and love them all - old and new Delicas (the old one I have had forever), a Rescue Jr. for when I am climbing, a Civilian for work. My wife also carries a Delica and I bought her a Delica trainer so that I could train her in what I know. I am very impressed with the MBC concept and I have read and enjoyed many articles and at least one book by Michael Janich. It is my intention to take the MBC training, especially after my friends recent attendance and strong recommendations.



I do have two questions - First as you saw in the Subject Line: Which knives are OFFICIALLY MBC knives? and what sets them apart besides being designed by tactical trainers? As far as I can tell the Gunting (which I have just had my buddy pick up along with a drone - I hope it makes it here to Kosovo soon...) and the Chinook are for sure MBC knives and I wonder about the Massad Ayoob. Please fill me in.



Second question: I will be on leave from the mission here in Kosovo in December. Are there any MBC classes scheduled before Christmas? If there are not is it possible to arrange private classes with Mr. Janich?



Thanks for the information - all that I have already gained from these forums and all that I am sure will come.



Cheers,

Kirk





Perfect practice makes perfect performance

[Michael Janich]

Dear Sirius:

Thanks for your post and your kind words.

In answer to your first question, MBC knives are officially characterized by their extreme lock strength. Thy must hold 200 pounds per inch of blade length. Right now that includes the Gunting, Chinook, and the Ayoob only. The Delica and Endura are used in training because they are affordable training tools with heavy duty locks that easily withstand the stresses of most knife tactics.

In response to your second question, we do have MBC Level 1-2 classes scheduled for 20-21 October (for more information, see the recent news section on the Spyderco home page). Those are the last scheduled classes for 2001. If you can't make those, I do offer private and small group training in both MBC and other topics. Please e-mail me at modtempest@aol.com if you'd like to discuss these further.

Thanks again for your interest.

Stay safe,







mike j

[Michael Janich]

This message has been edited by Michael Janich.

Edited by - Michael Janich on 9/13/2001 9:36:00 AM

[Freshman]

When the temperance's are released they also will be a MBC rated tool as well.

[sal]

Hi Sirius. Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

Knives "Specifically designed for MBC" is a more complicated question than might appear.

First of all, we created the "in house" MBC lock strength standard just recently, so not all knives were designed and built for MBC lock strength.

The first knives built to this standard were the Chinook and the Gunting. Both have locks that exceed the 200 inch/lbs per inch of blade length. One is a lockback and the other a compression lock. As mentioned, the new Lil" Temperance has an MBC lock strength rating. The Ayoob, (sorry to correct you Mike) was designed long before and falls into the "Heavy Duty" category of 100 inch/lbs of lock strength per inch of blade, as does the Wegner and Military (and many of Spydercos models).

One might say that the Civilian was designed for MBC (though, many years ago). It too rates "heavy duty".

One could also say that the Endura and Delica "Trainers" were also specifically designed for MBC, though their lock strengths are not in the MBC rating.

Please keep in mind that these are Spyderco's own ratings that we use for our own production.

For your own info, we have tested many "fighting" knives made by competitors with lock strengths that fall into our medium and light duty useage. Some of the "so called" hard use, tougher than tough, etc. knives don't even make our heavy duty rating. IMO, don't believe all of the advertising you read.

sal

[Sirius]

Sorry, multiple Post...

Edited by - Sirius on 9/18/2001 10:51:47 AM

[Sirius]

Thanks Sal,
I truly appreciate all the (very detailed) info. I welcome the chance to come to these Forums and think about things other than work and the present situation.

Speaking of other things, I have a Gunting Drone on the way from New York as we speak (unfortunately I must wait on teh Gunting itself) coming with a co-worker was was just there. I was surprised to hear that I essentially already have two "MBC" knives in the Delica Trainer and my Civilian! The Drone will be the first purchase in my push to buy them all.

Excellent, high quality knives you are making, Sal. They have saved my life in foreign countries on more than one occassion... My compliments, regards and gratitude.

Cheers,
Kirk

[Sirius]

Again, multiple post!

Edited by - Sirius on 9/18/2001 10:53:31 AM

[Sirius]

Another multiple post...

Edited by - Sirius on 9/18/2001 10:55:32 AM

[Sirius]

Final repeated post! I am sure the connection between Kosovo and the world did this...

Edited by - Sirius on 9/18/2001 10:57:33 AM

[sal]

Thank you Kirk.

sal