janich vs. keating

[spydermdz]

first of all.. who has a better knife design in your opinion?

what are the pros and cons of both MBC designers knives?

and for the hell of it, who would you pick in a knife fight? keating or janich? just curious... i love them both. i couldnt even begin to pick.. arent they both trained in the same MBC or are they specialized in a certain or different MBC

[Senate]

although both blades (Yojimbo and Chinook) you're refering to will succeed in any kind of task you'll throw at them, I still have a preference for the Chinook. IMO it has this all-around design type that you could find anywhere, from a camp knife to MBC.

[Civilian]

I think once I buy a Chinook I will like it better than my Yojimbo, as I am guessing the Chinook feels as solid(or more) as the Persian, that blew me away upon purchasing.

[ronin203]

I've said it before, and i'll say it again. Keating and the chinook. ;) :spyder:

[zenheretic]

first of all.. who has a better knife design in your opinion?

what are the pros and cons of both MBC designers knives?

and for the hell of it, who would you pick in a knife fight? keating or janich? just curious... i love them both. i couldnt even begin to pick.. arent they both trained in the same MBC or are they specialized in a certain or different MBC
Obviously, Spyderman or The Hulk would beat either one. :p

[BlackNinja]

Is this the Spyderco, or Romper Room Forums? :confused:

[zenheretic]

first of all.. who has a better knife design in your opinion?

what are the pros and cons of both MBC designers knives?

and for the hell of it, who would you pick in a knife fight? keating or janich? just curious... i love them both. i couldnt even begin to pick.. arent they both trained in the same MBC or are they specialized in a certain or different MBC
Of course Conan and Red Sonja would totally own.

[vman]

Both men are really great designers.
I really want ronin an a yojimbo. (anbody want to get rid of one?)

[Edro]

Obviously, Spyderman or The Hulk would beat either one. :p

Please...Superman hands down. :D

[Capt. Carl]

Please...Superman hands down. :D
His only weaknesses are horses and krytonite.

I absolutely agree.

[spydie fanatic]

as long as it's big enough to chop up a zombie :D

[smcfalls13]

What? No one's mention Chuck Norris yet? :eek: ;)

[Capt. Carl]

What? No one's mention Chuck Norris yet? :eek: ;)
No, all Cordell Walker needs are his fists and legs.

[BlackNinja]

What? No one's mention Chuck Norris yet? :eek: ;)
LMAO!!! :D :D :D

[Manifest]

Obviously, Spyderman or The Hulk would beat either one. :p

Since Spydermdz asked who would win in a KNIFE fight, I would pick Wolverine! ;)

[smcfalls13]

Since Spydermdz asked who would win in a KNIFE fight, I would pick Wolverine! ;)

Magneto, he'd take the knife right out of your hand. :p

[Capt. Carl]

Haha. I like how this janich vs. keating thread turned into which superhero would win in a knife fight thread! :D

(I vote for O.J.)

[spydermdz]

screw norris, superman, and whoever you all said.

thanks to those who actually responded to the topic on the thread... oh yea and i find it funny that a guy with a name on here of "NINJA" makes comments about superheroes fighting... funny.

i have a few chinooks and i love em... wont ever get rid of them... tough as tanks. however, the yojimbo is one i am dying to get. i was WANTING TO KNOW who you guys thought was the better designer and why, and i only got one answer and a bunch of superman BS. go figure :eek:

[Michael Cook]

first and for the hell of it, who would you pick in a knife fight? keating or janich?

:spyder: Whichever one was sober would win, by walking away. :spyder:

[markg]

I have trained with Mike Janich on three occasions. He is a talented instructor, with a razor sharp wit (pun intended). I have never had the chance to train with Mr. Keating, however I know he is equally well regarded.

If you are refering to "designers" I think in the end Mr. Janich will be more "prolific." When he talks about stuff, you notice he speaks with a natural sense of mechanics and design. Given his new position with Blackhawk, he has a leg up on design and manufacturing of knives.

Who would win in a fight? Um... I won't even go there...

[Joe Talmadge]

It's not uncommon for great technicians to come up with questionable knife designs, just look at Wagner's Reality-Based Blade to see what I mean. Janich & Keating are two great instructors who put together really solid designs, based on their differing ideas of defensive knifework. I've only trained with Janich, who teaches a great class. But my defensive knifework now has more in common with Keating's, and the Chinook would match my needs better ... on the other hand, Janich's pakal fixed blade looks pretty interesting.

If either Janich or Keating even dream of beating Chuck Norris, they'd better wake up and apologize.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Hey what Joe said!!! but remember if Steven Segal ever took the stick out from up his A$$. :eek: ...he'd be another force to reckon with..... :eek: Doc :D

[spydermdz]

janich and keating both would MAUL chuck norris! YES I SAID MAUL!!!!!

[Chucula]

bah not again...you guys got me craving a chinook. Thanks a lot :mad: :p

[BlackNinja]

screw norris, superman, and whoever you all said.

thanks to those who actually responded to the topic on the thread... oh yea and i find it funny that a guy with a name on here of "NINJA" makes comments about superheroes fighting... funny.


Did you even read my post??? :confused: Did I ever "make comments about superheroes fighting???" :confused: :D :rolleyes:
Have a good night, and learn how to read!!!
Seriously! :eek:
Maybe these guy's read the posts, and don't want to read about "who would win between them, in a knife fight?" :p :rolleyes:

[BlackNinja]

janich and keating both would MAUL chuck norris! YES I SAID MAUL!!!!!
That's because you have no clue!!!

[Capt. Carl]

Did you even read my post??? :confused: Did I ever "make comments about superheroes fighting???" :confused: :D :rolleyes:
Have a good night, and learn how to read!!!
Seriously! :eek:
Maybe these guy's read the posts, and don't want to read about "who would win between them, in a knife fight?" :p :rolleyes:
Ha-ha, I noticed that aswell but felt like letting you point it out. ;)

[BlackNinja]

Ha-ha, I noticed that aswell but felt like letting you point it out. ;)
Thanks, Carl! :D LOL! :D Never even read my post! :D

[spydermdz]

ninja, dont forget your cammo and knives, CCW badge, boonie cap... those mall boys need someone to be fearful of... ;) all hail the Black Mall Ninja!

LMAO

[Halfneck]

Spydermdz - no need to get belligerant when someone makes light of your post, you left yourself open for that kind of response. Pointing out that someone with "Ninja" in their name should not mock your post is ironic when you have a link to your blog that has a long "How To" discussion on how to respond in a Police encounter. Think out some of your posts more and do some research on your subjects more.

That out of the way, on to the constructive part.

James Keating's designs compared to Michael Janich's designs is Apples to Oranges. Janich is heavily influenced by Phillipino & Asian martial art styles. Keating has the same Phillipino influence but he is also influenced by American Bowie styles. The Chinook is a good example of the Bowie influence. I actually saw early sketched out prototypes back at the 95 Riddle of Steel. I had forgotten about it when Spyderco came out with it as Mr. Keating first made a design with Masters of Defense called the Hornet. By coincidence Mr. Janich also had a design by MOD too. The first design I ever saw by Mr. Keating was a custom fixed blade that use to be offered by Bob Dozier called the Crossada . It was a beautiful fixed blade designed around 1 thing - Knife combatives. Guard that was a Blade catcher, Spanish notch, a Cross Guard, Sharpened False Edge for Backcuts, 12" or more Blade of D2 steel, and Micarta handles. It was a beast. A lot of Mr. Janich's knives strike me as a secondary weapon to supplement a firearm. Easy to carry, quick to access, and Utility (seems to like the wharneclife blade) blades. This might be from his background in the Intelligence field in the Military & Law Enforcement. I cannot state certainly as I have never trained with him. My opinions only come from talking to him and articles of his I have read.

Final summary - 2 good answers to the same problem

[zenheretic]

Spydermdz...you reap what you sow.

I forgot about Superman, he even came back from the dead to make another movie, now that is impressive.

[smcfalls13]

A knife fight is not a joke, it's not a competitive sport, and it's definitely not something someone should go looking for. There's a reason we turned this thread into a joke, because that question is so ludicrous it shouldn't even be answered.

For all your training, you don't seem to have a very realistic grasp of what a knife fight entails, your attitude suggests you have a very Hollywood view of knife fighting. I can understand asking which is the better designer(which is only going to be opinions anyway), but I stopped taking your post seriously once you added the Celebrity Death match with Keating vs. Janich.

Michael had the best response yet, both men would walk away.

[spydermdz]

neck, i was in your words "making-light" of ninja.... if he can do it to me then he can accept it when i do it to him.

also, the post on my blog about how to talk to a police officer when being interrogated is not about mall ninjas. wake up. there is a plethora of good information in that posting about what to do when questioned by police. it applies to many situations, nothing to do with mall ninjas. but that was just a feeble attempt by you to make a point and try to back BlackNinja. which is fine. just has no depth to it.

oh yes, and THANK YOU SOOOOOOO much for taking the time to read my blog. i appreciate it man ;)

[BlackNinja]

neck, i was in your words "making-light" of ninja.... if he can do it to me then he can accept it when i do it to him.


Have you STILL not read my post??? :confused: :rolleyes: It reads NOTHING about superhero's!!! I could care less what you say about me, or anything, for that matter.

[stonyman]

I do not know who would win, but I tell you what I would not mind going into some trouble with either one of them. Both of those guys are accomplished blade craftsmen. Take care and God Bless You all!

[WORKER#9]

SpyderMDZ are you for real? The more I see the more I think you you are Half Troll and Half village idiot!

I am with Deacon on you SpyderMDZ. Deacon is right.

This is the most ridiculous thread ever.

Who would win? Dude you need some serious help.

Knives aren't all about fighting and killing. I hope you figure it out someday. You talk so much about MBC go get some training from YOUR Navy Seal Sensei you were talkin about. Or is he a made up?

Or just go out and get in some knife fights with some guys who just did 10 years in a max security prison for murder. And tell us how it works out. I am sure the they will smoke you with a craftsman screwdriver.

Or how about you join the human race and enjoy knives as a hobby.

I know some Bad ass dudes, I am not one, believe me I am not. I am nothing but a man. But all the Badass dudes I know keep there mouths shut and don't go babbling about fighting. They just stay cool and enjoy life. Try that, try staying cool and enjoying life. You will live longer and happier.

Life should not be about fighting. It is rather sad that it is.

[smcfalls13]

Thank you #9. That about sums up my thoughts exactly.

[spydermdz]

never ceases to amaze me.... Worker9, you and many other morons on numerous forums, always wanna throw in their insults and negative thoughts toward a thread. if you dont like what the thread is about, instead of calling someone else a troll, STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT AND DONT POST ON IT. :) is that rocket science?

[JaM]

He only called you half a troll, but never mind that... :D

[Michael Cook]

:spyder: Don't be wishy washy MDZ take a stand, who do you think would win? :spyder:

[Halfneck]

SpyderMDZ - think about how you present yourself when you post. You have made numerous posts re: Knife combatives, Knife related violence, and more along those lines. Your blog and myspace site are littered with gun & knife info. You have a degree and apparently are educated, but your use (or lack of use) of grammar and ability to blaze right by the use of capitol letters, make you look less literate than the non-english speaking members of this forum.

My personal opinion is that you are just a young man who is a gun and knife enthusiast, who is looking for his place in the world. The problem is that in your rush to post things you present yourself as a young thug that seems to have a unhealthy focus on knife & firearm violence. Not flaming you or putting you down just to be a "board warrior" type. Just putting it to you straight-forward and direct. I believe that, with a bit more thought in them, you can offer some good info in your future posts.

[korbiaka]

never ceases to amaze me.... Worker9, you and many other morons on numerous forums, always wanna throw in their insults and negative thoughts toward a thread. if you dont like what the thread is about, instead of calling someone else a troll, STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT AND DONT POST ON IT. :) is that rocket science?

If I were being bashed on numerous forums, I would be smart enough to realize that I'm the problem.

[smcfalls13]

never ceases to amaze me.... Worker9, you and many other morons on numerous forums, always wanna throw in their insults and negative thoughts toward a thread.

Have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason you draw this kind of fire?



if you dont like what the thread is about, instead of calling someone else a troll, STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT AND DONT POST ON IT. :) is that rocket science?

The problem is, as has been mentioned several times, it's hard to take your threads seriously when the dominant topic you choose to discuss is MBC and knife fighting. Some of your threads I found pleasant to read, some of them I question why you posted them. Whether or not you are a troll is irrelevant to me, but your obsession with knife fighting and SD and MBC and constant posting of threads about it tends to irritate some people, and than you get attacked for it.

There's more to knives than fighting. Just having an MBC rated knife does not make you a knife fighter. I used to have several Guntings, but sold them because just having the knife did not give me the talent Bram Frank has, and I didn't have the time to train properly. I have no delusions about being a great fighter, because I'm not.

Try posting something that doesn't pertain to knife fighting, and does not contain the letters MBC(in that order), and perhaps you will get a different reaction than you're currently receiving.

You've been here for around a month and a half, and you have 54 threads to your name(about one for every day you've been here). The majority of which are questions about certain knives, which is perfectly acceptable to me. The problem is, you continuously post new threads about things, when the same thread could easily be used. You have had probably 6 threads just asking about the Yojimbo. That's kind of irritating to see a similar thread pop up every week. I have little doubt you'll post a "Going to NGK to pick up my Yojimbo" thread, followed by a "Wow, got a Yojimbo" thread shortly after.

It's pointless to open a new thread for every step of the buying process. Just use the same one.

Just my thoughts on this issue...

[WORKER#9]

never ceases to amaze me.... Worker9, you and many other morons on numerous forums, always wanna throw in their insults and negative thoughts toward a thread. if you dont like what the thread is about, instead of calling someone else a troll, STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT AND DONT POST ON IT. :) is that rocket science?

Just got a phone call from your Village, they want you back! :rolleyes:

[Joe Talmadge]

Michael had the best response yet, both men would walk away.

This is incorrect. I had the best response: Chuck Norris would show up and whup them both.

[spydermdz]

SpyderMDZ - think about how you present yourself when you post. You have made numerous posts re: Knife combatives, Knife related violence, and more along those lines. Your blog and myspace site are littered with gun & knife info. You have a degree and apparently are educated, but your use (or lack of use) of grammar and ability to blaze right by the use of capitol letters, make you look less literate than the non-english speaking members of this forum.

My personal opinion is that you are just a young man who is a gun and knife enthusiast, who is looking for his place in the world. The problem is that in your rush to post things you present yourself as a young thug that seems to have a unhealthy focus on knife & firearm violence. Not flaming you or putting you down just to be a "board warrior" type. Just putting it to you straight-forward and direct. I believe that, with a bit more thought in them, you can offer some good info in your future posts.


Thanks for being professional and courteous Half.

[WORKER#9]

Thanks for being professional and courteous Half.

Something you could learn from. You called me a Moron the first day you showed up here and I have been called a moron several times by you since then. I finally got fed up with you. You called me a Moron for supporting the President of the United States, while our country is at war. After you posted completely inappropriate material in the Offtopic forum.

Moron? Moron? Moron? WTF? Then you want professional and courteous.

Please act right and show some respect for the other members, I could care less what you call me or think of my intellect. I probably am a Moron for just not ignoring you in the first place! :o

That is all! :D

[argyll]

This is incorrect. I had the best response: Chuck Norris would show up and whup them both.

You're too modest, Joe. What you actually said was hysterical:


If either Janich or Keating even dream of beating Chuck Norris, they'd better wake up and apologize.

(By the way, my money is on Keating ;))

Best regards,

Argyll

[Joe Talmadge]

You're too modest, Joe. What you actually said was hysterical:


You're too kind. I'll be appearing here all week.

Don't forget to tip your waitress

[Capt. Carl]

That's kind of irritating to see a similar thread pop up every week. I have little doubt you'll post a "Going to NGK to pick up my Yojimbo" thread, followed by a "Wow, got a Yojimbo" thread shortly after.

It's pointless to open a new thread for every step of the buying process. Just use the same one.

Just my thoughts on this issue...

YES! Thank you smcfalls! :)

[WORKER#9]

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

[spydermdz]

Something you could learn from. You called me a Moron the first day you showed up here and I have been called a moron several times by you since then. I finally got fed up with you. You called me a Moron for supporting the President of the United States, while our country is at war. After you posted completely inappropriate material in the Offtopic forum.

Moron? Moron? Moron? WTF? Then you want professional and courteous.

Please act right and show some respect for the other members, I could care less what you call me or think of my intellect. I probably am a Moron for just not ignoring you in the first place! :o

That is all! :D



#9, ignore me. and yes you are a moron. :p for not doing so... hell of it is, i am one too because i havent ignored you and keep responding to your bull**** retorts.

[korbiaka]

#9, ignore me. and yes you are a moron. :p for not doing so... hell of it is, i am one too because i havent ignored you and keep responding to your bull**** retorts.


I find you to be a rude, demented, and foolish person. If you are able to upset the remarkably understanding folks of this forum, you need to spend more time on your people skills.