2008 should be a serrated year!

[uhiforgot]

I can't help but notice that much of the new line right now is being done in PE only. Granted some of this is rightfully so as it might be a bit difficult and impractical to add teeth to something like a Spin.

On the other hand, there are a lot of models that could benefit functionally from being serrated, starting with the Poliwog. Surprised I didn't say Lava?

Don't get me wrong, the Poli is awesome. Great ergos, neat-lookin', smooth action, balanced, strong, and all around great... except for the cutting power. Unless you have the means to back-bevel from what seems like the beefiest 50 degree edge I've ever seen, you're gonna be doing a bit of sawing to get through cardboard by the end of the week, and forget about a cardboard surface cut.

This could easily be solved by serrating the edge. Also this might make it impossible for people like Spydutch to avoid ;) But this is not the only one. Some of :spyder:'s newly introduced blades available in PE only include (but are not limited to):
-Lava
-Chinook 3
-D4 and E4 Wave
-Adventura
-Mini Persian
-Captain

I mean, these are the current production Spydies that I would LOVE to see done in SE or CE, and I'm not talking about aesthetics at all. This is a 100% function based decision. Now they all have a great deal of cutting power, but giving them serrated edges would be like putting icing on angel food cake. But does this say that everything should be serrated? No.

Should there be a serrated Kiwi? No, blade seems too small to add teeth, and Deacon would feel too bad about leaving it in a glass case to even buy one.

Would I want a serrated Hossom? No, not unless it were only serrated along part of the spine.

Seriously, though, not to say I'm not happy with this year's lineup, but please let there be more serrated variants in '08.

-Jeff

[cobrajoe]

Here here!!

I'm all for more teeth :D

I would also like something with teeth and a belly, like the lava :D Of course, I already have a plan for a SE lava...

I would also love to see a heavy duty folder with serrations. The manix and mini seem like they would be perfect for heavy duty work, but maybe I can live with the superhawk (it MUST be fully SE for me).

[Blackhair]

I for one would absolutely love serrated versions of the Waved Delica and Endura. These are Spyderco's flagship models, and the Wave makes them even better, and adding teeth to the Wave would make them even better :D

[Bolster]

You serrations guys are insatiable.

[JD Spydo]

I want a Captain model in serrated so bad I may just have it done somehow if Spyderco won't offer them in serrated. What really confuses me about the issue with the Captain was that the designer told us on another Forum that he originally designed the knife with the curvature part being serrated.

Now don't get me wrong I love my PE Captain and it is one of my top 5 favorite Spyders currently. But for them not to offer the Captain in the serrated variation truly confuses me to no end. I know that knife would sell well. I wish they would also offer the KRIS and the Chinook III in serrated too. Even if you had to special order them that would be fine with me.

I have other folks agree with me about the Captain and the others I mentioned. I just don't get it. Because SERRATIONS are Spyderco's quintescential flagship trademark to a large degree. They essentially put high quality serrated folders on the map. I agree this current trend of erraticating serrated blades has to stop.

[fellyjr]

I have slowly been creeping into the realm of liking serrations ever since I got my first SE Ayoob! :eek: ;)

[uhiforgot]

You serrations guys are insatiable.Well, I don't technically count myself among the "serration guys." I believe that there are some situations that serrations are the better tool, and some where a plain edge is the better tool. All depends on the task at hand.

But I still think this needs to happen :cool:

[WOTANSON1]

You serrations guys are insatiable.
Yes we are!!!!;) You must remember years ago we were kings;) , til the PE patrol usurped us, may they suffer soon!:D :D ;) :rolleyes: There ain't no knife in the Spyderco line up that couldn't benefit from some SE.
Cheers,
Rob

[uhiforgot]

Yes we are!!!!;) You must remember years ago we were kings;) , til the PE patrol usurped us, may they suffer soon!:D :D ;) :rolleyes: There ain't no knife in the Spyderco line up that couldn't benefit from some SE.
Cheers,
RobBut you gotta remember, Rob, sooner or later Sal will stroll into this thread to find such a comment and say to himself "Well, self, SE certianly IS cool, but aside from coolness WHY should I put serrated edges on these knives?" Should he pose that question to you, how would you respond?

Some blades and designs are better suited for SE than others, and I've considered my own list (above) very carefully. I still would have a hard time justifying serrations on a Kiwi, Spin, or any of the new Hossoms.

[eljay]

You serrations guys are insatiable.

I'm not a serration guy - I think I have one serrated knife out of 20 or so - and just today I was checking out the options, looking for a waved combo edge Endura. That would be a very handy knife for me. I was frankly surprised that it didn't exist. I know Spyderco can't offer every possible variation because dealers can only stock so many models but it didn't exactly seem like I was wishing on a star, if you know what I mean.

[So-Lo]

Really though........................


What does a PE do better than a SE? :p

Now ask yourself, "self what does a SE do better than a PE?" :D
Answer: !!!EVERYTHING!!!

I for one, would love to have a SE Captain :o

[smcfalls13]

Really though........................


What does a PE do better than a SE? :p

Now ask yourself, "self what does a SE do better than a PE?" :D
Answer: !!!EVERYTHING!!!

I for one, would love to have a SE Captain :o

Clean precision cuts with no effort.

SE cuts are not as clean as PE. Not that it really matters to most, but when I'm opening boxes, usually those boxes are still going to be used for storage, I just cut off the tops. A PE is easier to cut with than a SE for me.

That's the only example I can come up with though, PE is more precise in it's cuts.

Though I will also say I too would like a CE Captain. Serrated the recurved portion, and give it a compression lock(or caged BB lock;) )

[cobrajoe]

Really though........................


What does a PE do better than a SE? :p

Now ask yourself, "self what does a SE do better than a PE?" :D
Answer: !!!EVERYTHING!!!

I for one, would love to have a SE Captain :o
Um.... Shaving?

I got tired of using a full roll of toilet paper every time I needed a trim, so I bought a few PE blades :p


Sometimes I just love the slicing of a nice thin flat ground blade. But this makes me wonder, how would a thin flat ground SE blade work? :D

[Tank]

I have always been an SE fan but have began to like the PE as well but SE will always be my first choice. Bring them on in SE:D

[Agent Starling]

Well, I don't technically count myself among the "serration guys." I believe that there are some situations that serrations are the better tool, and some where a plain edge is the better tool. All depends on the task at hand.

But I still think this needs to happen :cool:
agree totally, i love PE and SE equally, and it depends on the knife and what it's for. In the kitchen, I always reach for a serrated knife, almost without exception. As far as Spydercos, depends on function and aesthetics. For instance, I have a PE Cricket, and to my eye, the serrated version looks a little strange. As far as hawks, I have both kinds. So I am clearly on the fence regarding SE vs PE--I like the best of both worlds.:D

A serrated Yojimbo...now THAT would be something!!!:D :cool:

Ex Special Agent Starling

[The Mastiff]

My first Spyderco was serrated. I always keep them around for daily chores, as well as plain edge. I like both equally. The market seems to prefer PE currently though. They always sell out first when new models hit the stores.

When the BRG ZDP Enduras were released the PE's were gone whithin hours. The SE's lasted days and at some places never sold out at all. That's only one example but the same thing happened with MT socom elites in S90V. The PE's sold out in hours, the SE's( would be CE in Spyderco terms)are still there a month later. They are the same price. I think Spyderco is just reflecting market demands. Myself, I'll always buy some of both. Joe

[spydutch]

Because of them stupid time differences I'm late again on this one, so everyting important is already being said and I totally agree with what is said concerning the serrations on newer models.

But why on earth not a serrated Spin? If they can put serrations on a new Ladybug or on a Policemodel necklace why not on the Spin? I would buy at least 3 serrated Spin's.

I will make one promise to Spyderco:

Despite being unemployed at the moment I promise that I will buy at least one of every new model(folder that is) that comes fully serrated. I'm not talking about updates of current models but new models and models that are only PE or CE at this moment.

[TK]

Since SE is one of Spyderco's trademarks, every Spyderco should be available in PE and SE, at least every 3"+ knife. I was a PE only user and liked SE only for the look. This has changed now. My currend EDC is a SE Military and I like it a lot. I was evangelized by the die-hard SE fans, and now I am one of them.

[WOTANSON1]

But you gotta remember, Rob, sooner or later Sal will stroll into this thread to find such a comment and say to himself "Well, self, SE certianly IS cool, but aside from coolness WHY should I put serrated edges on these knives?" Should he pose that question to you, how would you respond?

Some blades and designs are better suited for SE than others, and I've considered my own list (above) very carefully. I still would have a hard time justifying serrations on a Kiwi, Spin, or any of the new Hossoms.

Sal has tried to convince knife users since the introduction of the Mariner that SE is a more effective cutting edge for almost all cutting needs and stays sharper longer than PE (which it does). SE is also easier to sharpen than PE with a Sharpmaker. I am just a student and follower of Sal's wisdom. Every folding knife in the Spyderco lineup would benefit from an SE option IMHO. However cost and sales are an issue, SE does not sell as well as PE, but it does not detract from the undeniable fact that SE just cuts better and longer. I think SE doesn't sell as well for several reasons, one is aesthetics (something I've never understood, come on it's a Spyderco-form follows function), another reason is ignorance of the benefits of SE. Then we always get the "too hard to sharpen" excuse which is a load of bull. I carry SE because it works better, cuts better and stays sharper longer than PE, there isn't a coolness factor for me, just function. I do believe that one day the worm will turn back to SE, just not soon enough for me or my fellow co- conspirators of the IOSE.

Cheers,
Rob

[JD Spydo]

I can remember in the not too distant past when I would go to gun shows here in the Kansas City Missouri area there would usually be 2 knife dealers show up at most of the shows. They both would usually have at least a dozen to 20 Spyderco knives. At that time it was hard to get a Plain edged Spyder. My first plain edged Spyder ever was the JD Smith when it first came out in ATS-34.

I guess what I am trying to say here is that something just doesn't seem right when you actually expect certain models to be available in SERRATED :confused: . Back then if you wanted a certain model in plain edge you had to order them from the aforementioned dealers and usually wait at least a month to get them. For the life of me I can't see at least why they don't offer the Captain and Chinook III in SE. I know both of them would sell well. Just on this thread alone we have at least 6 people wanting a serrated Captain. If nothing else at least make Sprint runs of certain models for collectors in SE.

[TK]

Then we always get the "too hard to sharpen" excuse which is a load of bull.
Don't forget the "PE performs better as SE if properly sharpend" alibi.

[WOTANSON1]

Don't forget the "PE performs better as SE if properly sharpend" alibi.
He He He, I love it when that one gets thrown around:D . Germans are such smart people.:) ;) :)

Spyderco believes SE is a more effective cutting edge for everything besides scrapping and whittling:cool: . SE heads embrace that philosophy wholeheartedly. We might not have the numbers that PE'ers have, so all we ask for is the opportunity to buy new models with an SE option, that's it, nothing more. Come on now the Manix without SE:confused: ? Somethings not right about that:D .
Cheers,
Rob