More ebay idiocy [Archive] - Spyderco Forums

Gollum

07-22-2007, 08:37 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-6-5-FLIP-KNIFE-SEKI-CITY-BLACK-FOLDING-BLADE_W0QQitemZ160140554894QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6380 0QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I sent a message to this guy pointing out that I really didn't think that this is a Spyderco.

Here's his response:

"HI DO THE WORD'S ( SEKI-CITY JAPAN RING A BELL?)"

SonnyD

07-22-2007, 08:44 PM

LOL......I guess my Beretta 92 knife is actually a :spyder: too.....since it's blade was made in Seki-City too:D
Regards Sonny

Dr. Snubnose

07-22-2007, 10:16 PM

ROTFLMAO....Hey it must be a Spyderco...didn't you see the hole in the middle of the handle, yeah it's got a round thingy in the hole but hey...it's a hole nonetheless....Doc:D

David Lowry

07-22-2007, 10:34 PM

I sent him a message to let him know it's not a Spyderco. It will be fun to see his reply. :)

coltsfan8116

07-22-2007, 10:53 PM

I emailed him as well and he sent me an email back saying it was marked spyderco and that i was an idiot:eek:

coltsfan8116

07-23-2007, 12:35 AM

I emailed him as well and he sent me an email back saying it was marked spyderco and that i was an idiot:eek:

He emailed me back and this is his email as follows

I BOUGHT 37 KNIFES FROM A CLOSING DICKS SPORTING GOODS IN DENVER COLO. SOG TWITCH II 'S AND THE SPYDERCO STAINLESS (WITH THUMB HOLE) AND THESE BLACK ONE'S. SO I ASSUME THE BLACK ONE;S THAT ARE MARKED SEKI-CITY JAPAN & SPYDERCO. ARE REAL? THANKS THATNKS I DO NOT WANT TO SELL ANYONE ANY JUNK, I ASSUME ALL ITEMS I BOUGHT FROM DICKS SPORTING GOODS ARE REAL:D

Jordan

07-23-2007, 12:49 AM

This guy and the caps lock key, jeez...

mikebandw186

07-23-2007, 01:10 AM

As far as i know, dick's sporting goods doesn't even sell spyderco's...

Dr. Snubnose

07-23-2007, 01:20 AM

As far as i know, dick's sporting goods doesn't even sell spyderco's...

Yes Dick's does....but the knife in question...a spyderco?.....Doc:D

I can't make out any names on the knife....maybe the e-bay seller could provide better...bigger...close-ups of the knife....

ozspyder

07-23-2007, 02:22 AM

I think we maight know what a Spyderco knife looks like ;) :)

Is this guy for real? Methinks he's just trying to flog off some stuff to unsuspecting victims ?

Maybe we should all email him to see if we can all get CAPSLOCKED replies convincing us that these are genuine :spyder: s

The Deacon

07-23-2007, 05:18 AM

Design is not familiar to me, but there's an "outside chance" this is one of the knives Spyderco marketed for several of their Japanese suppliers. If that is the case, their packaging might say Spyderco. In that case it would be kind of a "grey area", since while not Spyderco, there would be a legitimate Spyderco connection. However, AFAIK, all the knives in that cagegory were marked with the maker's name (G. Sakai, Moki, Tak Fugata, etc.) on the knife, rather than just Seki City.

David Lowry

07-23-2007, 05:23 AM

Here is the reply I got back from this guy. As you can se he's super nice.

"you are a complete fool, !!! and spyderco has been-notified that you are a fool, these knifes came from dicks sporting goods they do not sell knock off's, these are 2007 store models that came from a closing store in colo. go get a life and blow smoke , remember EXPERT= AN EX IS A HAS BEEN AND A SPERT IS SOMETHING THAT RAN DOWN MY LEG, OK EXPERT?SO PLEASE CALL THE POLICE AND HAVE YOURSELF PICKED UP, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR A FOOL LIKE YOURSELF ON E-BAY. OH" YEA MAYBE SPYDERCO CAN FILL UP THE OPEN HOLE IN YOUR HEAD LIKE THEY DID THESE KNIFES? MAYBE..."

JD Spydo

07-23-2007, 05:43 AM

As far as i know, dick's sporting goods doesn't even sell spyderco's...

The DICK's Sporting Goods here in Kansas City Missouri has a few Spyders. It's only been in the last 8 months I've been there a couple of times and they had 3 Delicas that I distinctly remember and they also had one of the older Pro Grips. Also the Cabelas store we have at the far west end of the Metroplex has a few Spyders as well. The last time was at Cabelas they had a Vagabond, A Rescue, A Delica and I think it was also a Centofante III that they had as well.

But from what I've been told that may not be the case at all of the Dick's stores. I don't even think that all of the Walmarts throughout the country have the Native models in stock. But YES the Dick's here in Kansas City did have a few of them the last 2 times I was there.

JD Spydo

07-23-2007, 05:55 AM

From what I've been told by a guy who's been to Seki City Japan is that Seki City in Japan is pretty much the same "mecca" for knives that Solingen is in Germany for knives and straight razors. I would be willing to bet that there are at least 30 to 50 brands of blades that come from Seki City. And that's just been from tidbits I've collectively heard from various folks.

Also keep in mind too that we are probably in the process of being deluged with counterfeit blades courtesy of the folks from Chairman Mao's neck of the woods. I have been told of everything from counterfeit Rolex watches to almost every electronic item imaginable to just about any small kitchen appliance you can think of. It hasn't been too long ago I heard that they even tried to ship a couple of counterfeit "Jeep Cherokees" into the USA. I've personally found 2 counterfeit Spyders at a couple of gun shows>> what was hilarious was that they even had "China" stamped right on the blade. But it did look very much like an Endura.

That's a possibility anyway. Plus with the response that David got from the guy it doesn't appear that his intellect capacity is much higher than that of a an June bug :D

rycen

07-23-2007, 08:13 AM

Is this not the Solo 5 designed by Sal?

Simple Man

07-23-2007, 08:28 AM

Looks to me like the Solo Button Lock, it was cleared out through SFO for around $25 several years back around, '03. It could be considered in the Spyderco family as Sal had a hand in the design.

http://66.113.178.251/forums/search.php?searchid=502188

http://66.113.178.251/forums/showthread.php?t=15117&highlight=solo+buttonlock

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239665&highlight=solo

Quote from Sal from BF
"The model was designed in collaboration with a Seki maker named Yoshinori Seto. He built the piece for us. He is also a member of the US Custom knifemakers Guild.

The original purpose of the model was for the Ironstone mail order catalog. The run was very late to get into production. It was a very difficult piece to make. By the time production actually came about, Ironstone had closed its doors and the venue for distributuion was gone.

The Steel, as mentioned is AUS-10. One of the super performers in knife steel. Corrosion resistance is not as good as some (about the same as ATS), but edge retention and toughness is quite exceptional. We use the steel in our Native SS modedl and have had very good response. It is not a common steel because of its high cost both in the custom steel run and the processing.

The nested linerlock (yes nested into G-10) is released using a ball bearing captured in the front side scale and actuating the linerlock on the back side scale. The blade rides between them. The concept was originally developed by G.Sakai (another Seki maker). It was knocked off and the market flooded by Taiwan copies back in the early to mid 90's, so the concept was dropped by G.Sakai. We decided to use the concept because of it's uniqueness and effectiveness. Yoshinori Seto and G.Sakai are friends so there was no conflict. We made the G-10 in the USA because I require a more dense G-10 material for nesting liners and it must be custom made.

Many prototypes were made before the final pattern was refined to our standards. The handle is very ergonomic. The blade shape very funtional, the "opening lobe" works well.

MSRP was supposed to be in the $125 - $150 range with a discounted mail order sale price of about $100 - $125.

The pieces cost considerably more to make than the asking price, not including tooling. We have no real distribution method to market the model as it is an "oddball" to our current line. So we thought to offer the "close out" piece at a very atrtractive price that a small number of knife aficianados get to experience the result of the project.

sal"

rycen

07-23-2007, 08:30 AM

http://www.knifeshop.nl/knifeshop/spyderco/01.htm

Simple Man

07-23-2007, 08:34 AM

Found it here also....almost at the bottom.

http://www.coltelleriazoppi.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=23

The Deacon

07-23-2007, 09:23 AM

Thought it looked vaguely familiar. Whether they should or should not be referred to as Spyderco knives is a matter of opinion. Then again, I disagree with a bunch of other collectors, not to mention with Sal himself, as to whether or not the Ramco Laguiole deserves that label.:rolleyes: :o ;) :D

David Lowry

07-23-2007, 09:36 AM

Wow, I guess the guy is right. I eat my words then, along with my foot.

I however think that is one of the ugliest "knock off" looking knives I've seen.

Ted

07-23-2007, 09:38 AM

www.archive.org is your friend...

Couldn't find a detail page with the knife showing up, but the close-up works.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050303210548/http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=143

http://www.ted.tweakdsl.nl/screen1.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20050208123452/www.spyderco.com/catalog/closeup.php?product=143

http://www.ted.tweakdsl.nl/screen2.jpg

Ted

07-23-2007, 09:40 AM

So, for $28 you'll have an AUS-10 knife with G-10 scales, designed by Sal Glesser ... and still nobody has hit the buy-it-now button ...

PSU

07-23-2007, 10:07 AM

I feel safe knowing that the Spydie Posse is on the prowl. If only the Dept. of Homeland Security would have such a fast response time to threats :cool:

David Lowry

07-23-2007, 11:04 AM

That is just insane. I'm not even sure what to say.

I don't like the thumb thingy. I can't really call it a stud since it's really long. :)

Ted

07-23-2007, 11:31 AM

I don't like the thumb thingy. I can't really call it a stud since it's really long. :)

That's why Spyderco calls it a 'lobe opener'.

David Lowry

07-23-2007, 12:08 PM

Well I sent an apology to the guy, being that I was wrong. (foot in mouth) ;)

Jordan

07-23-2007, 01:00 PM

He may not have been completely wrong about the knife... but I stand by my critique of his typing technique.:D

mikebandw186

07-23-2007, 01:20 PM

JD and Doc, i stand corrected. i was only going on the knives i've seen at dick's, here in denver. Buck, Leatherman, Kershaw, and some knock off hunters. Also a few commemorative bowie knives. But no Spyders at the store i was in. also, no customer service. oh well

Chucula

07-23-2007, 03:54 PM

Perhaps someone deserves an apology...

David Lowry

07-23-2007, 04:21 PM

He accepted my apology and apologized back to me also. :)

Dr. Snubnose

07-23-2007, 04:48 PM

opps...it is a spyderco of sorts...live and learn....Doc:D

zenheretic

07-23-2007, 05:21 PM

Darkfin

07-24-2007, 05:09 PM

I will let you know if it is a real solo, since I bought the same knife he had at auction for $22 last week, having recognized it as a Spyderco Solo instantly. Those are awesome knives! And whether or not it says Spyderco on it anywhere, if Sal was in on it's design, I'm counting it!

java

07-25-2007, 12:13 PM

It isn't a Spyderco. Made in the same plants, designed by the same guy, even sold by SFO online, but it isn't a Spyderco. There is a whole little line of knives that aren't Spydercos that fall under the same category.

Assuming this knife is a real Solo, and not a cheap knockoff, it is a great buy. Since his photo is so poor, you have to be willing gamble. It is ebay afterall.

You win the prize, Zen.

I fail to understand the confusion on others' behalf and a need to apologize to the seller. It's a Spyderco like a Pontiac is a Cadillac. They are both manufactured by GM often at the same factory and sold through the same distributer network but your Vibe will never have the same class and prestige nor will it ever be mistaken for an El Dorado. It's a Solo and it enjoyed the same distribution and manufacturing as real Spydercos from Seki-City did. Not knocking the quality and value......but it ain't no Spyderco. The right thing would be for the seller to ammend his auction thereby earning respect as a trustworthy seller and he has been informed of this.

J

Ted

07-25-2007, 12:23 PM

You win the prize, Zen.

I fail to understand the confusion on others' behalf and a need to apologize to the seller. It's a Spyderco like a Pontiac is a Cadillac. They are both manufactured by GM often at the same factory and sold through the same distributer network but your Vibe will never have the same class and prestige nor will it ever be mistaken for an El Dorado. It's a Solo and it enjoyed the same distribution and manufacturing as real Spydercos from Seki-City did. Not knocking the quality and value......but it ain't no Spyderco. The right thing would be for the seller to ammend his auction thereby earning respect as a trustworthy seller and he has been informed of this.

J

I agree that it's not a Spyderco. I would have added it to my list if I would think it was one.
However, there's one major difference to other knives that have been sold by Spyderco, like the G Sakai, Moki, Hiro and Solo line, which is that this particular model is designed by Sal himself, and made exclusively for Spyderco.

So indeed not a Spyderco, and for that reason a misleading Ebay auction.

But Spyderco collectors would be foolish to let this G-10/AUS-10 knife, designed by Sal and distributed by Spyderco, go for $28 ... :rolleyes:

Ted

The Deacon

07-25-2007, 05:02 PM

I agree that it's not a Spyderco. I would have added it to my list if I would think it was one.
However, there's one major difference to other knives that have been sold by Spyderco, like the G Sakai, Moki, Hiro and Solo line, which is that this particular model is designed by Sal himself, and made exclusively for Spyderco.

So indeed not a Spyderco, and for that reason a misleading Ebay auction.

But Spyderco collectors would be foolish to let this G-10/AUS-10 knife, designed by Sal and distributed by Spyderco, go for $28 ... :rolleyes:

TedTed, I could be wrong, but I thought Sal once said that Solo, like RAMCO and Byrd were, for want of a better term, "house brands". That the name was owned by, and the knives made exclusively for, him / Spyderco.

Java, I agree, 110%, ;) :D It just never ceases to amaze and amuse me how collectors who turn up their noses at Solos and the Sakai Clutch Lock consider the RAMCO Laguiole not just acceptable, but one of the "holy grails" of Sypderdom. :rolleyes:

Chucula

07-25-2007, 07:33 PM

StuntDouble

07-25-2007, 07:59 PM

It's hard to tell, but it looks like the blade does indeed have the same engraving as the Ironstone folder in the posted picture.

David Lowry

07-25-2007, 09:37 PM

....I fail to understand the confusion on others' behalf and a need to apologize to the seller.........

J

I'm not confused. I'm simply trying to take the high road here. The seller was a jerk but that doesn't mean that I will be one too. ;)

The Deacon

07-26-2007, 03:49 AM

Tell me where my logic fails:

How do you know a knife is a Spyderco Knife?
If Spyderco sells it!

Who sells the Solo?
Spyderco!

Therefore, the Solo is a Spyderco and the guy made a perfectly reasonable auction.Well, by that logic, all the G. Sakai, Moki, Hiro, and Tak Fugata models which Spyderco listed in their catalogs and for which they were once exclusive US distributors, can also legitimately be described as Spydercos. But, I will agree that this is a matter of opinion and interpretation.

Personally, I take exception to even Byrds being described as Spydercos, but I'm probably a "hard liner" when it comes to such things. Then again, if I ever put my Laguiole up on eBay, you can bet your boots it will be listed as a Spyderco. I may be a purist, but I'm not a fool. ;) :D

David - FWIW, I think you did the right thing by apologizing. Given the seller's response to you initial email, I know I'd have been sorely tempted not to.

cgjones

07-26-2007, 10:39 AM

SPYDERCO 6.5" FLIP KNIFE SEKI-CITY BLACK FOLDING BLADE (http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-6-5-FLIP-KNIFE-SEKI-CITY-BLACK-FOLDING-BLADE_W0QQitemZ160141601345QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6380 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

WE JUST BOUGHT OUT A DICKS SPORT. AND WE HAVE ABOUT 10 SPYDERCO KNIFES FOR SALE ALL STORE DISPLAYS. UN-USED WITH NO BOX. THIS ONE IS A 6.5 OVERALL LONG AND 3" BLADE. HAS THE THUMB FLIP TO OPEN AND LOCKING BLADE. AND BUILT IN CLIP THAT WILL UNSCREW IF YOU DO NOT CARRY A KNIFE THIS WAY. PLEASE LOOK AT MY OTHER AUCTIONS FOR MORE KNIFES. SELLER =SELL'S & SHIPS TO THE (USA) ONLY!!! BUYER PAYS S\H AND INS. WE ACCEPT PAYPAL, M\O AND PERSONAL CHECKS CHECKS HOLD 10 DAYS. ALL PAYMENTS ARE DUE WITHIN 5 DAYS. PS. FOR ALL THE KNOW IT ALL GUY'S THAT KEEP E-MAILING SAYING THESE ARE NOT SPYDERCO KNIFES DO A LITTLE RESEARCH AND LOOK TO SEE THAT THIS IS A (SOLO) SPYDERCO SEKI-CITY JAPAN KNIFE. THAT WAY YOU DON'T KEEP MAKING FOOL'S OF YOURSELF'S LOL.. THANKS & GOOD LUCK...

java

07-26-2007, 12:01 PM

PS. FOR ALL THE KNOW IT ALL GUY'S THAT KEEP E-MAILING SAYING THESE ARE NOT SPYDERCO KNIFES DO A LITTLE RESEARCH AND LOOK TO SEE THAT THIS IS A (SOLO) SPYDERCO SEKI-CITY JAPAN KNIFE. THAT WAY YOU DON'T KEEP MAKING FOOL'S OF YOURSELF'S LOL..

Well I guess he did what this know it all politely asked him to do......finally.

Wow! I've been put in my place by a seller who has a poor command of the English language, doesn't know what more than one knife is, can't find the CAPS LOCK key, doesn't have a concept of what Spyderco is, and in general has little tact and total disregard for those who try to help him.

Don't I look like a fool........:o :rolleyes:

There is an interesting site called Ebayersthatsuck.com (http://ebayersthatsuck.com/) People like this find themselves there ere long.

:D
J

David Lowry

07-26-2007, 01:03 PM

....
David - FWIW, I think you did the right thing by apologizing. Given the seller's response to you initial email, I know I'd have been sorely tempted not to.

Thanks Paul. :)

Yeah I had to hold back a little. :)

dialex

07-27-2007, 02:55 AM

I agree that it's not a Spyderco. ...
... But Spyderco collectors would be foolish to let this G-10/AUS-10 knife, designed by Sal and distributed by Spyderco, go for $28 ... :rolleyes:

Ted

My thoughts, exactly. For those who only dealt with AUS-6 / AUS-8 so far, let me tell you that AUS-10 is a different breed. It's such a good steel (I dare to say it's comparable with VG-10) which performs far better than the traditionally AUS we are used to. The lobe opener is quite handy, at least as handy as a thumbstud. The handles are similar to the Delica's so I guess the ergonomy is there as well. G-10... do I need to say more? ;)

Darkfin

07-31-2007, 02:38 AM

Got the Solo from this dude, it was a bit slow in arriving, but the knife is fantastic! I love the button lock. Easily worth $50 imo.

Simple Man

07-31-2007, 07:31 AM

Got the Solo from this dude, it was a bit slow in arriving, but the knife is fantastic! I love the button lock. Easily worth $50 imo.

Apparently he thinks so too, now. BIN - $58.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160143051225&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1