Lower cost P'kal?

[kgriggs8]

I really love the P'kal but I want to use the knife as a EDC like my Centofante 4. I look at the P'kal as a work knife despite the SD role it was designed for. I think the Cent 4 is the best knife Spyderco has every made. It is really a work horse that preforms any task I need with ease.

What I like about the P'kal better than the Cent 4 is the ball lock with cage, the flat ground blade, the wire clip and the Wave feature.

Is there is a way that Spyderco would look at making a cross between the Cent 4 and the P'kal? I really think that would make a great EDC as well as SD if needed knife.

Here are some things I would keep about the Cent 4, the VG-10 steel, the FRN handles and the blade shape but not the grind.

What I would keep about the P'kal is the Wave,flat ground blade, wire clip, BB cage lock, and more of the handle shape. I would like a cross between the Cent 4 handle and the P'kal.

What do you guys think? I know Wharncliff blades don't seem to sell for some reason but I like them and think they make for one hell of a EDC.

[Dr. Snubnose]

I really love the P'kal but I want to use the knife as a EDC like my Centofante 4. I look at the P'kal as a work knife despite the SD role it was designed for. I think the Cent 4 is the best knife Spyderco has every made. It is really a work horse that preforms any task I need with ease.

What I like about the P'kal better than the Cent 4 is the ball lock with cage, the flat ground blade, the wire clip and the Wave feature.

Is there is a way that Spyderco would look at making a cross between the Cent 4 and the P'kal? I really think that would make a great EDC as well as SD if needed knife.

Here are some things I would keep about the Cent 4, the VG-10 steel, the FRN handles and the blade shape but not the grind.

What I would keep about the P'kal is the Wave,flat ground blade, wire clip, BB cage lock, and more of the handle shape. I would like a cross between the Cent 4 handle and the P'kal.

What do you guys think? I know Wharncliff blades don't seem to sell for some reason but I like them and think they make for one hell of a EDC.

I beg to differ ....Wharnie's seem to be big sellers for most who are making them nowadays...The Cento 4 is a cool knife but I wouldn't want to use it in Pikal grip for defensive purposes unless you have a super glue grip and are not worried about your hand slipping off onto the blade during thrusting techniques....I don't think the Cento handle with a pikal style blade would be a big seller....sorry I could be wrong but I don't think so.....Doc:D

[The Deacon]

Thanks, but no thank's. Don't really care for either of those knives. The Centofante, as Dr. S pointed out, allows the hand to siide forward onto the blade a bit too easily for my tastes. I know Frank Centofante's goal was to pack as much usable blade into the handle as possible, and he certainly succeeded, but it's just not a knife I feel comfortable using.

The P'kal, while interesting from a technical standpoint, offers nothing I consider to be of value. For me, the ball lock, even caged, is comes in a distant second to the front lock in desirability. The wave is something I'd never use and the hole in the blade that removing it leaves strikes me as a potential breeding ground for rust. I also hate the fact that the wire clip, which again is useless to me as I prefer clipless carry, eliminates the lanyard hole, which I might find occasion to use. And, if you leave the screw out after removing the clip, the rear of the handle spreads apart creating, at the least, an unsightly appearance.

So I really can't imagine a mash-up of the two creating anything I'd find of interest. There's also the issue that Spyderco would either need permission from both "collaborators" or to "borrow" heavily from both of them without attribution.

On the other hand, I've given though of late to finding out it Tom Krein would do a full flat grind on H-1. If so, then I'll eventually have the ideal large wharncliffe for me when he's finished with the Atlantic that STR customized for me. :cool: :cool: :D But the truth of it is, it probably wouldn't get carried much. I discovered that, on blades large enough for me to use routinely for food prep, that a blade like the Stretch which combines a decent amount of straight edge and enough curve at the front to make push cutting possible, is a far better choice.

[whitefeather]

Thanks, but no thank's. Don't really care for either of those knives. The Centofante, as Dr. S pointed out, allows the hand to siide forward onto the blade a bit too easily for my tastes. I know Frank Centofante's goal was to pack as much usable blade into the handle as possible, and he certainly succeeded, but it's just not a knife I feel comfortable using.

The P'kal, while interesting from a technical standpoint, offers nothing I consider to be of value. For me, the ball lock, even caged, is comes in a distant second to the front lock in desirability. The wave is something I'd never use and the hole in the blade that removing it leaves strikes me as a potential breeding ground for rust. I also hate the fact that the wire clip, which again is useless to me as I prefer clipless carry, eliminates the lanyard hole, which I might find occasion to use. And, if you leave the screw out after removing the clip, the rear of the handle spreads apart creating, at the least, an unsightly appearance.

So I really can't imagine a mash-up of the two creating anything I'd find of interest. There's also the issue that Spyderco would either need permission from both "collaborators" or to "borrow" heavily from both of them without attribution.

On the other hand, I've given though of late to finding out it Tom Krein would do a full flat grind on H-1. If so, then I'll eventually have the ideal large wharncliffe for me when he's finished with the Atlantic that STR customized for me. :cool: :cool: :D But the truth of it is, it probably wouldn't get carried much. I discovered that, on blades large enough for me to use routinely for food prep, that a blade like the Stretch which combines a decent amount of straight edge and enough curve at the front to make push cutting possible, is a far better choice.

Deacon....why don't you tell us what you really think:D :D

[Bolster]

I'd like a P'Kal type blade (flat ground, moderate hawkbill or wharnie) in a more "normal" handle, for everyday utility use. Combine a P'Kal blade with a Caly III handle, sized appropriately, and...wow.

What we really need is a hawk or wharnie variation of a Caly III.