Assault stories? heres mine

[Piercieve]

I know these are not the most sensitive questions to ask, as someone may have gone through a traumatic experience, but has anyone here actually USED their knife in self defence, or had a knife used against yourself?

I have been in a situation where I probably should have drawn my knife to protect myself, but I didn't. To make the story short, I was jumped while leaving my ex-girlfriends house by her ex-boyfriend. Got clocked in the back of the head and shoved through a layer of drywall. I was friends with the kid, so I didn't fight back immediately, because I didn't know what he was mad about... It was a random outburst. I put up my hands to block and was rewarded with a broken finger. As I was trying to talk sense to him, he was pounding my face. I didn't think it hurt at the time, because he had cracked down from my eye socket and damaged the nerve in my cheek. After the first few punches, I remembered the knife in my pocket, but I didn't deem the situation severe enough. He probably punched me 10 times total, and then ran. I was still standing, and managed to make it home. I now have two titanium plates, one running parallel to the bottom of my eye socket, one perpendicular. He now has to pay for hospital bills and for work that I missed, along with 2 years probation. Supposively with another punch or two, I could have died because of the loose bone floating around under my eye. Luckily, it didn't even affect my eyesight.

I have also been stabbed with a boxcutter by my drunk room mate while I was curled up in a recliner, totally sober and asleep. Right into that big artery on the back of your forearm. It went about 2-2.5 inches in. Lost alot of blood, and threw up on the way to the hospital. Haha, and get this, while I was leaning out the window, my $400 Versace glasses fell off my face and were crushed by the following car.

Good times.

P.S. I know this may seem wierd, but I actually enjoyed getting jumped. I pretty much was on morphine for a week, and got to take off school. It was like a little vacation. And I broke up with that horrible girl soon as I got out. And on top of all that, I am more cautious now, and if I ever was put in that situation again, I would react quickly and violently, instead of trying to talk it out.

[RIOT]

dang you got jacked up, broken finger and eye socket ?

hope the chick was hot as hell.

one on one i wouldnt pull a knife though, now if you really got jumped by a group of fools for sure pull it

[Piercieve]

Yea, agreed... but I would have been able to claim SD pretty easily, what with my extensive damage to my face. You know whats cool though, it didn't mess up my face at all. I have a little line of a scar a little under my eye, other than that totally normal. The doctors did most of the work by cutting where my lips meet the gums and working up from there.

[AllenETreat]

I was attacked about a year ago by three punks goig to the store,
one hit me in the back of the head, like you Piercieve, I'm a peaceful
man. I didn't fight back as -

1.) they were teens ( looked to be about 15-17yrs ) if I hit them
I'D be the one going to jail.

2.) they "hit & run" ( if I chased them I probably would've got jumped
by a gang-in-waiting, who knows! )

As it wasn't a life-or-death struggle, no, I didn't sully my SE cricket.

I do, however, keep a sharper eye out when I see two or more
potential youthful offenders.

AET

[Tank]

I have never had to use a knife in a fight fortunatly. There was one instant where I pulled it out and had it at the ready just in case. It was christmas day, we went to the movies and while we were waiting in the lobby, a gang fight broke out. Started just a few guys then ended up being quite a few and from where we were pinned against a wall trying to avoid it I witnessed two guys get slashed pretty bad so I pulled out my delica and had it ready incase it got any closer to us. Fortunatly it didn't but it was a very intense and scary scene. And in the end we missed the movie as we had to give wait for the police and give statments and all that. Fun way to spend christmas day. Needless to say it was the last time we went to that movie theater.

[huugh]

Those are horrible stories. I feel sorry for you.

I've encountered some aggressive people, luckily they either get along with name-calling or I got lost before it really escalated. (knocking on wood)

[ClockWork]

jeezzz

Sounds like you got knocked around pretty good. (To me) that sounds like a situation were drawing your knife would have be reasonable... But I'm not a lawyer, and I know how scetchy stuff like that can be... so.



I've never drawn my knife for SD or anything like that.


But once;

I deliver Chinese food as job numero tres.

I was driving down a back road, and the guy that I had been behind whipped it up to around 70 MPH plus. I paced him up to about 60 or so, and then I wouldnt go any faster.

Up ahead the guy whips onto the wrong side of the road and stops. I pass him, and he pulls behind me.
He follows me another mile or so, back toward the Chinese restaurant. Nearing the , I make a couple of extraneous turns and sharp detours in the neighboring parking lot. To really see if he's following me or whatever.

Well, He sharply pulls in front of me, and I stop. He gets out screaming and yelling, furious. "WTF is wrong with you! Fck you! Fck you F-got!!"

I step out and pull out my OC/CS spray and start yelling
"Get the Fck back in your Fcking car or your gunna get Fcking sprayed NOW!"

He got back in his car, and peeled off.

I must have been tailgating him, or maybe I accidentally flashed my lights or something.... I cant really think of anything.

Maybe I handled that wrong, and Myabe shouldn't have yelled... but oh well.

Thats pretty much my only encounter...

-Clock

[RIOT]

lol clock you shoulda sprayed him anyways to give him a life lesson

one time at a bar (that was completley empty) i sat down and ordered a beer, 2 mintues later this older guy came out telling me i was sitting in his seat even though there wasnt a single thing of his anywhere and the whole bar was empty, i talked with the guy a bit and asked him why he had to have this one spot and randomly the bar tender ran up screaming and said thats it youre gone to me ???? and all this happened for me doing nothing but grabbing a seat and minding my own business. Now the guy was getting smart and giving some prick look so i socked him in the nose and continued to kick this $^&# outa him, i left and went home.

my point being is that guy will always think twice before he just walks up to someone and bullies them for a stupid bar stool

[dete]

the last couple of years I've lived in terrible areas,
I've been able to prevent altercations.
Though I had been "approached" many times.

I've also had job as security and
I remember many times running, hiding and waiting.

imagine getting a call that says: there are 3 punks
thrashing up the place, please escort them out immediately.

oh btw, I did draw my knife out many many times,
it was ready, didn't have to use it, and nobody saw it.

[Jimd]

Never had to use a knife for self-defense.

I've been assaulted many times, as my career has me working inside a prison. Lost count of the number of times, really. Lots of bruises, etc., and a broken arm.

Situational awareness is the best tool you can initially possess.

[ClockWork]

the last couple of years I've lived in terrible areas,
I've been able to prevent altercations.
Though I had been "approached" many times.

I've also had job as security and
I remember many times running, hiding and waiting.

imagine getting a call that says: there are 3 punks
thrashing up the place, please escort them out immediately.

oh btw, I did draw my knife out many many times,
it was ready, didn't have to use it, and nobody saw it.

...Sure

[Kaizen]

I haven't been through nearly as much as JimD or other cops and military guys, but I've been:

Shot at (4 times)
Stabbed at (several times)
Bats swung at me (once)
My skull cracked open with a metal pipe
Scratched from broken bottles (someone trying to stab at me)
Jumped by 10+ people (kickes to the back and head)

I have several old friends who have been murdered or close to it, so I can't complain. Just some of the things that happen when growing up in a high crime area.

[vampyrewolf]

On my evening walks I've worn out 2 21" batons, hit with chains and bats, threatened with a knife multiple times, and been asked a couple times to join the gangs. I take knives with me, but I only draw when I lose control of my baton (we all know murphy). We have 220k ppl in the city, and at least 1 recognized gang member per 1000 ppl.

Haven't had anything broken, though I've come to love the wet crunch a solid hit from the baton gives.

[FLYBYU44]

I'm a pretty big guy so I haven't had many troubles. The worst thing that happened was I got sucker punched by some guy in high school, so I took a swing at him and put his teeth through his bottom lip. Personally I would never pull a knife unless it was life or death, just makes us knife owners look bad and can get you in a lot of trouble.

[Bolster]

Shot at twice (missed!) but the most satisfying scrape was when I was a pre-teen kid. Two twenty-something thugs found me waiting for my parents outside an antique store. They approached and demanded my money, and threatened to smash me into oblivion if I did not comply. Oddly, that day I was wearing a "wrist wallet" and when these guys frisked me they did not check my wrist. They cursed me for not having any money, threatened to beat me to a pulp (again) if I told anyone, and they walked on. About this time my dad came out and I told him what happened. As I was telling him the story, a police car went by. Dad hailed the police car. As Dad was reporting the incident, these two dumb thugs had walked across the street and were now heading back our direction! I pointed them out, the cop nabbed them, and they went to jail for a couple of months. Sweeeeet.

[RIOT]

I haven't been through nearly as much as JimD or other cops and military guys, but I've been:

Shot at (4 times)
Stabbed at (several times)
Bats swung at me (once)
My skull cracked open with a metal pipe
Scratched from broken bottles (someone trying to stab at me)
Jumped by 10+ people (kickes to the back and head)

I have several old friends who have been murdered or close to it, so I can't complain. Just some of the things that happen when growing up in a high crime area.


damn bro, move already! if you already havent

[MANIXWORLD]

I was overpowered by 4 muggers in a, probably stolen car,whilst cycling my normal route from work,about a year ago. I had a small knife/ CRKT clipped to my side; and my daypack had about 7 other knives, i use at work in it.
i got rammed off my bike by them,with the stolen vehicle,they chased after me with machetes and guns and took all my stuff.
i was completely overpowered by them,and the small CRKT wouldn't hav stood a chance,against their weaponery.
I was lucky to get away alive from the ordeal, with my Life.
sometimes you have to throw in the white towel or raise the white flag in certain unforseen circumstances,because your Life doesn't just mean alot to you,but YOU ARE VALUABLE to your other loved ones too.
The material loss is ALWAYS replaceable,but your life obviously not.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Lets see...this month alone I was attacked by over three hundred people...all were random attacks....I was shot at 52 times, 51 of them were all misses...(criminals have terrible aim) The one time I was hit...I took 10 rounds of 9mm to the chest, was shot twice in the back with a .44 magnum and took one blast from a shotgun slug to the head...but was able to pull at least three different knives and fend off my attackers, the doctors say the slug in my head is too close to my brain so they want to leave it there....I had a friend remove it with his Spydersaw...cept for the zig zag line in my forehead I'm feeling fine....Ten hoodlums with knives robbed me at a bus stop, because of my advanced Kung Fu training I was able to avoid getting cut using fancy footwork...one did manage to cut both of my suspenders and my pants fell down.... one look at my spyderman briefs sent them running in all directions....A band of small girls, ages two thru five, (most likely a gang) kicked me in my shins and I fell to the ground while waiting in line at Toys "R" Us....they stole my money and drove off in my Hummer...sometimes when the people who attack you are soooo ruthless you have to give them what they want and not put up a fuss....just be glad you are alive......I may never walk again from those injuried sustained to my shins.....Doc:p

[quattrokid73]

^^^ Lol!

[vampyrewolf]

Lets see...this month alone I was attacked by over three hundred people...all were random attacks....I was shot at 52 times, 51 of them were all misses...Doc:p

Let me guess... that was during your naked freefall over newyork from 5000 feet, while being persued by the canadian special forces.... :p :p :p

[CombatGrappler]

Wow, for a second there I thought I was at the Practical-Tactical forum over on BF. Gooooooooooooooo, ninjas!

[tonydahose]

Let me guess... that was during your naked freefall over newyork from 5000 feet, while being persued by the canadian special forces.... :p :p :p

you forgot the part about one arm being tied behind his back too.:D

[AllenETreat]

Never had to use a knife for self-defense...

Situational awareness is the best tool you can initially possess.

JimD -

That sum's it up. Good awareness about one's situation / surroundings
percludes having to use a knife or brute force.

Jerry Van Cook of tactical knives magazine would agree.

AET

[Shike]

Lets see...this month alone I was attacked by over three hundred people...all were random attacks....I was shot at 52 times, 51 of them were all misses...(criminals have terrible aim) The one time I was hit...I took 10 rounds of 9mm to the chest, was shot twice in the back with a .44 magnum and took one blast from a shotgun slug to the head...but was able to pull at least three different knives and fend off my attackers, the doctors say the slug in my head is too close to my brain so they want to leave it there....I had a friend remove it with his Spydersaw...cept for the zig zag line in my forehead I'm feeling fine....Ten hoodlums with knives robbed me at a bus stop, because of my advanced Kung Fu training I was able to avoid getting cut using fancy footwork...one did manage to cut both of my suspenders and my pants fell down.... one look at my spyderman briefs sent them running in all directions....A band of small girls, ages two thru five, (most likely a gang) kicked me in my shins and I fell to the ground while waiting in line at Toys "R" Us....they stole my money and drove off in my Hummer...sometimes when the people who attack you are soooo ruthless you have to give them what they want and not put up a fuss....just be glad you are alive......I may never walk again from those injuried sustained to my shins.....Doc:p

Another good one Doc!

[Dr. Snubnose]

Let me guess... that was during your naked freefall over newyork from 5000 feet, while being persued by the canadian special forces.... :p :p :p

Yeah it might have been those Canadian special forces...I always confuse them with the gang of little girls....LOL.Doc:D:p

[vampyrewolf]

how do you think they do undercover work? what person in thier right mind would deny a horde of little girls (as you found out... they kick and bite :eek:)

[ClockWork]

Lets see...this month alone I was attacked by over three hundred people...all were random attacks....I was shot at 52 times, 51 of them were all misses...(criminals have terrible aim) The one time I was hit...I took 10 rounds of 9mm to the chest, was shot twice in the back with a .44 magnum and took one blast from a shotgun slug to the head...but was able to pull at least three different knives and fend off my attackers, the doctors say the slug in my head is too close to my brain so they want to leave it there....I had a friend remove it with his Spydersaw...cept for the zig zag line in my forehead I'm feeling fine....Ten hoodlums with knives robbed me at a bus stop, because of my advanced Kung Fu training I was able to avoid getting cut using fancy footwork...one did manage to cut both of my suspenders and my pants fell down.... one look at my spyderman briefs sent them running in all directions....A band of small girls, ages two thru five, (most likely a gang) kicked me in my shins and I fell to the ground while waiting in line at Toys "R" Us....they stole my money and drove off in my Hummer...sometimes when the people who attack you are soooo ruthless you have to give them what they want and not put up a fuss....just be glad you are alive......I may never walk again from those injuried sustained to my shins.....Doc:p


Sounds like a few of these "true" stories....

;););)

[tonydahose]

this thread is looking more and more like this skit:p

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

[LouDog5446]

I haven't been through nearly as much as JimD or other cops and military guys, but I've been:

Shot at (4 times)
Stabbed at (several times)
Bats swung at me (once)
My skull cracked open with a metal pipe
Scratched from broken bottles (someone trying to stab at me)
Jumped by 10+ people (kickes to the back and head)

I have several old friends who have been murdered or close to it, so I can't complain. Just some of the things that happen when growing up in a high crime area.

I'm guessing you live in Oakland?

[KaliGman]

Doc, don't say I didn't warn you. You know I sent you the intel report on the Canadian Midget Commandos. They ALWAYS pull that same stupid little girl routine. Why, just the other day when I was in Canada working on their Weapon X Project, I was forced to shred a few of the phony little tykes after they got into the battalion's Bushmills supply, drank enough single malt whiskey to float the Bismarck, and became decidedly unruly. Cheeky devils!:p

Seriously, most of us who work in law enforcement have been assaulted. Most of us aren't going to give you the "There I was, surrounded in the dark, deadly jungles of the Congo" war story on the incidents either, especially on a forum. After dinner, with friends who have also been there, done that, and have the T-shirt, maybe. A really bare bones description of the incident for educational purposes if someone here asks a pertinent question and the story might help someone out, also maybe.

[tonydahose]

and have the T-shirt

i never got a freakin T-shirt:mad:























:p

[Kaizen]

RIOT,

I moved out several years ago. It's really not as bad as it sounds, my ego got me in a lot of trouble. I didn't move out because of the crime either. People didn't mess with me much when I stopped acting stupid. What a coincidence. Once I got my mind wrapped around the idea that I was willing to go to an extreme at any given moment, I wasn't so paranoid and didn't feel like I had to prove anything to anyone anymore.

LouDog5446,

Yup, grew up in East Oakland (20s/ "Murders", Funktown). I stay in Dublin right now. It's pretty funny though, I didn't realize how much I was mentally prepared just in case something were to happen (not really paranoid), until I noticed one day in Dublin how much more relaxed I was.

Doc Snub,

Funny stuff. I was going to add the times when swords or brick throwing were involved, but I figured the list seemed pretty mall ninja-ish already. :p

[Bolster]

Yeah it might have been those Canadian special forces...I always confuse them with the gang of little girls....LOL.Doc:D:p

Howling with laughter!!

[Caly E]

Ive been abducted by aliens.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Ive been abducted by aliens.

sushhhhhhh...we all have...but no one is posed to know.....:eek:Doc:D

[itxploded]

i have never drawn in SD but i had a punk pull out a mustang collectors set piece knife on me so i grabbed it smashed his hand against the concrete wall and then after he dropped the knife i closed itm and told him to get the fck away before id kick him in his head, he ran off and i threw the knife into a dumpster. then on another occasion i had a dull as fck benchmade mini grip pulled on me and i tackled the guy and took the knife :D

[Agent Starling]

Ive been abducted by aliens.

aww, that's a different thread! :p ;):D

[The Mastiff]

My dog tried to steal my food one time when I went in the kitchen to grab a soda. After several years of therapy I got up the nerve to confront him about it. He just denied it so now I steal the neighbors paper every sunday. :o Joe

[Simple Man]

Well, I was once in a foray that featured fish.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s&feature=related

[Caly E]

aww, that's a different thread! :p ;):D
I forgot to mention that they assaulted me with probes

[tonydahose]

I forgot to mention that they assaulted me with probes

this is what he looked like afterwards:p
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/tonydahose/untitled-1.jpg

[Bolster]

My dog tried to steal my food one time when I went in the kitchen to grab a soda. After several years of therapy I got up the nerve to confront him about it. He just denied it so now I steal the neighbors paper every sunday. :o Joe

Hey, that happened to me too!

[Piercieve]

A really bare bones description of the incident for educational purposes if someone here asks a pertinent question and the story might help someone out, also maybe.

This is one reason why I am curious about you guy's stories. I just know next time I walk down a hallway and hear a door creak open behind me, I'm going to react differently.
Besides, an answer to a question that might help someone will only help them if they are placed into the same situation. So telling stories can only help.
I'm never going to fight just defensively ever again, that was just stupid. If someone is throwing punches at my face, even if I know them, I need to throw back. I'm not getting beat down like that again, and I don't want anyone else to either. I mean, yea, I did just want to share my story... I don't get to tell it too often, but also maybe someone would learn from it.

So if anyone has any cool play-by-play stories... shoot.

[Vincent]

I would have just beat the crap out of him. Ya hit me, thats it your going to spend time in the hospital. You dnt actually need to use the knife, it always works well as a scare tactic. But in no way would I EVER call the police or let the law handle my problems.

[Piercieve]

I would have just beat the crap out of him. Ya hit me, thats it your going to spend time in the hospital. You dnt actually need to use the knife, it always works well as a scare tactic. But in no way would I EVER call the police or let the law handle my problems.

Nor would I, in most cases.
I didn't call the police. I didn't even want to press charges. They came to me in the hospital and asked me to. I didn't until about a week later when the kid called me from a private number and told me he didn't regret it and that he had whooped my ass. He also threatened to kill me if I didn't break up with that girl. Whatever, I wanted to anyways. :D He was stupid...
I actually knew where he was hiding, so he got caught. I went easy on him in court, because I really didn't care that much, which my parents were angry about. He just got probation on 2nd degree assault charges.

Edit: I thought the kid was a friend of mine, thats why I didn't immediately fight back. I won't make the same mistake again.

[vampyrewolf]

I don't throw the first punch, but I make sure I throw the last one. You might be surprised how fast an elbow to the chin/neck will put someone down ;)

[Piercieve]

I don't throw the first punch, but I make sure I throw the last one. You might be surprised how fast an elbow to the chin/neck will put someone down ;)

Haha yea, elbows will do it. I was boxing with a buddy of mine, and when we box, pretty much anything goes besides elbows/knees to the face. Heheh I elbowed him in the throat and he hit the mat so hard.

Any of you guys heard of foot wrestling? It's really fun and a good way to train for balance and whatnot. Just lock your hands behind your backs and try to knock each other down using just your shoulders/torso/elbows for leverage and your legs for tripping. Its incredibly fun to throw someone down over your leg using your elbows.
First one down or with hands unlocked loses.

[Zozo*HC*]

I don't throw the first punch, but I make sure I throw the last one. You might be surprised how fast an elbow to the chin/neck will put someone down ;)

Im practicing krav maga 2.5 years ago...i would vote to the elbow too:D Knees to the greund and elbows to the face...:p effectiveness above all:cool:

[Vicarious Reality]

I'm not allowed to use any tools for defending my life.

[Dr. Snubnose]

This is one reason why I am curious about you guy's stories. I just know next time I walk down a hallway and hear a door creak open behind me, I'm going to react differently.
Seems like you already learned what you needed to from your own experiences

Besides, an answer to a question that might help someone will only help them if they are placed into the same situation. So telling stories can only help.
I doubt anyone will ever be placed into the same situation as others...every situation is different...One of my teachers used to explain it this way....I would ask him to duplicate a technique he used on me (that I never saw before) during sparring...he would refuse to do it....he used to say draw a line on the chalkboard, now draw an exact line on top of it, (which is impossible to do)...Then he would say...every time you throw something at me it is coming at a different angle, throw one hundred punches at me and I'll do a hundred different techniques, because it's impossible for you to duplicate the angle of your attack each time I am force to react differently...The bottom line is you either do what is got to be done in any given situation or you don't. I don't see how telling stories is going to help you.

I'm never going to fight just defensively ever again, that was just stupid. If someone is throwing punches at my face, even if I know them, I need to throw back. I'm not getting beat down like that again, and I don't want anyone else to either. I mean, yea, I did just want to share my story... I don't get to tell it too often, but also maybe someone would learn from it.

So if anyone has any cool play-by-play stories... shoot.
Most often the play- by-play stories are too gory or too bloody for most people to stomach....and are best left untold...Doc

[MAT888]

I would never pull my blade and use it unless I thought for sure that I might die.

I think the same.

I also agree with Doc.

Actual gory detailed combat/service stories should not be posted on public fora imho.

This will only fuel the anti knife lobby.


Next to that; in an actual knife fight there NEVER is a winner just messy results.

Situation awareness is the key. Try to avoid these kind of situations at all

Wished we could have guns for protection .. Netherlands have gone of the peach imho...


cost. :cool:

[Piercieve]

I understand what your saying Dr. Snubnose, but stories, as well as angles, can be generalized to fit one's needs.
However, after what you guys have said I agree that we shouldn't have any actual detailed stories.

[RIOT]

to each their own! deal with it

[The Mastiff]

Incidents involving deadly force come with potential or actual legal trouble for those involved, even LEO officers. Then there is the potential of family or friends of the involved seeing or hearing details they don't need to.

To talk about incidents like that are painfull to those involved, and are potentially a way to screw up your own life.

If you work for an agency you will soon learn that to bring any attention to the agency involved isn't conducive to long term employment.

Pick A, B, Or C, or make up your own reasons. The fact is most people that have had to use deadly force won't talk about it online on an open site.

There are limited access sites dedicated to the study of incidents for learning purposes to help LEO agencies develop ways to prevent, or learn from incidents.

There are also websites devoted to helping traumatized people share their stories with others in a support type group.These are also typically password protected membership only sites.

This isn't either one of those type websites. I question the appropriateness of talking about such incidents on a commercial knife companies forum.

If you are just looking for gore there are other places on the net you can go. Joe

[stoneman]

This isn't either one of those type websites. I question the appropriateness of talking about such incidents on a commercial knife companies forum.

If you are just looking for gore there are other places on the net you can go. Joe

Couldn't agree more. ;)

[Kaizen]

I don't give details of personal experiences myself. But in memory of several friends:

#1: Was placed on his knees and shot point blank in the back of the head
#2: Was held down by several people while one person stabbed him 15 times with an icepick
#3: Was shot 10 times at a stop light
#4: Was chased for several blocks and shot 7 times in the street.

There's no need to go through the rest. And there's no need to discuss the details. This is the reality of violence on the streets.

[Piercieve]

Wow. Just lock this already. I didn't mean for anyone to get upset with me.
Stupid idea.

[ClockWork]

Once.... When I allot more quizzical

I was studying Metaphysical science Online from my home...

When my good Friend Maxwell called me on the phone. Maxwell was a Medicane major. Gunna be a Docter.

He asked if I wanted to go see the new Indiana Jones movie.

But as I'm getting ready to go...

Max shows up early and knocks on the door.

I answer the door, then he pulls out this huge silver hammer, and bangs me on the head.

He hits me over and over... making sure that I am dead.

I am now dead... this is Clocks dog sending this message


-Zuzu Clocks dog



:D:D:D:p:p

[KaliGman]

Wow. Just lock this already. I didn't mean for anyone to get upset with me.
Stupid idea.

I don't think anyone is really upset. I know that I am not. The question was a bit "trollish" but you have explained your motivations and have not really tried to "fan any flames." Don't sweat it. As for the made up stories, we like to have a little fun every now and then with posts like this. Were you around when we did the last Benchmade vs Spyderco thread that we took all the way to peanut butter and jelly vs combat tacos? Now that was a twisted thread. I have to say it was fun, though:D. If you are interested in examining scenarios for the purpose of awareness or to focus your own training, that is not a bad thing. You want to talk "if A then do I do B, C, or D," PM or email me and I'll try to help you out.

Joe said a mouthful on his post. Good and true stuff. I will tell you one true story now--as a result of my work in law enforcement I have been sued for $3 million, personally. The organization I worked for was sued as well,but I was sued, along with some others involved, individually. I don't recommend the experience. It took about four years to resolve that one:eek:

[Bolster]

I will tell you one true story now--as a result of my work in law enforcement I have been sued for $3 million, personally. The organization I worked for was sued as well,but I was sued, along with some others involved, individually. I don't recommend the experience. It took about four years to resolve that one:eek:

I hear that. Many (most?) physical altercations don't end in the street, they end in the courtroom years later. If you win in the street, your opponent will often as not be looking for legal revenge. Even when you're completely justified and innocent, the court experience that follows is painful, cruel, expensive, frustrating, and unnerving. As my (very good) attorney says:

"Going into a courtroom is a crap-shoot. You never know what's going to happen, what sort of jury you'll get, or what type of judge. What may be perfectly reasonable and rational behavior in one courtroom gets portrayed as malicious prejudice in another." You may get judged by twelve that are good and true; or you may get judged by twelve kooks who don't like the way you look.

[The Mastiff]

I'll speak about a good friend of mine for a minute. This guy was a very successful retail business owner doing very well. He was also a very talented IPSC shooter, amongst other disciplines.

One day a crew of 3 bad guys came in to rob him. Events transpired to the point he had to use deadly force.

The police cleared him asnd he wasn't charged with anything.

He was hit with a civil suit, which he went through the stress of, cost of, and loss of time. He won that.

He did not win against the constant harassment and vandalism from friends and family of the bad guys, two of whom survived and were imprisoned. The store had slashed furniture, burns, fires started, and customers harassed.

The police couldn't be there all the time.

He finally sold his store at a big loss and moved to another state.

Surviving the assault was only a part of the ordeal.

He's alive so I guess you can say he won. He sure doesn't talk about it much. You can know the guy for years and never know what happened. He never brags, talks about it, or even tries to remember it other than as a learning experience.

I for one can understand his reluctance to talk about it. I knew him for probably 5 years before I heard, and saw the reports, summons etc. It was in the basement with other stuff when I helped him move. ( along with a big box of trophies from various shooting disciplines. )
Joe

[Bolster]

Wow, that's a sobering story. Clearly, being in the right doesn't mean much, does it? I mean, being an established member of the community just served to make him a bigger target, easier to hit.

Do ya ever get the feeling our society is set up to give the advantage to those who have little to lose, whereas those who do society's heavy lifting, are the vulnerable ones?

[amen74]

Do ya ever get the feeling our society is set up to give the advantage to those who have little to lose, whereas those who do society's heavy lifting, are the vulnerable ones?

I totally agree. I've heard the stories all too many times.