pulled on by a frosty

[wiley sharp]

last week, me and vlf_11 were walking home from a game of pool when some chump and his little friend decide to make trouble.... they followed us all the way to my house (about 10 blocks from the pool house) when we came to my house this punk starts flailing insults at us, but then we weren't sure that he had a knife.... however, when we confronted him about the insults, he pulled out a frosty, threatining to spill our guts. by now, a truck full of his friends had arrived on the scene, so there were about six of the little peckers. chris and I looked at each other, my hands rested on my merlin and delica in my front pockets. he allready had the same idea.... in an instant, we pulled out our ace in the hole, his endura SE, and my Merlin SE and delica 50 50. the guys began to back off, realizing that they had been out done. as they left, we put our knives away, and walked away. they followed. then we got smart. we used his cell to call the cops. thank you ritzville police. but after the cars pulled away, there was still one dude left, the armed one. chris left after the cops, but my house is further away. the dude followed me all the way to my door, hurling insults. he stood outside my window, threatining that if i left my house, he would rape my mother. that was it. i got my 12 gauge. took it outside and racked it in his face. to shorten this up all that I'll say is that he ran off after that. never seen him again, yet.

[Brian]

That is one hell of a story! I have had enough problems with another guy to fill a book, but this is intense stuff. Two things that I would say to you:
1. Good job on getting the cops out to you.
2. I would have done the same thing if I was in your shoes when he started threatening your family. Threatening me is one thing, threaten my family, then I get ugly with you.

"...Now you have to ask yourself one question, do I feel lucky?"
-Dirty Harry

My apologies to the DH's of the forum for the misquote, I've never actually seen the movie.

Edited by - Brian on 1/15/2002 12:04:05 PM

[kraziekurtis]

meh I have re-assessed,slashing tendons wouldn't be the best solution in the world, unless it was defense..

Edited by - kraziekurtis on 1/22/2002 12:23:10 PM

[Hoosierdaddy]

Brian,

It actually goes like this...

"This is a 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. You're probably wondering whether I fired five shots or six? You have to ask yourself a question... Do you feel lucky punk?... Well do ya?"
Anyway that's the way I remember it!
The .454 Casaul is more powerful... now
The .475 Linebaugh is more powerful too
Neither one was around when Dirty Harry Callahan was in his prime. Neither one is a good self defense round (too powerful... over penetrates)
Sorry to get off topic!
It's just when someone misquotes D/H... I have to correct them!
Wiley... way to go dude... watch your back!

[justdavid]

There's something to the effect of "...Well, in all that excitement I kinda lost track myself..." (paraphrasing)

Though I believe the Casull _was_ around at the time that movie was made, though it wasn't well-known. (Or perhaps Casull was still just playing around with hotloading 45 Colt cases at the point, I can't remember.)

Anyway, the 44 Mag. had been trumped at that point, but almost no one knew about it. And the line sounded better that way, than it would have had it been accurate.

"This is a 44 Magnum, the most powerful production handgun for which factory ammunition is made..."

Nah, doesn't have the same punch.


jD.

[Clay Kesting]

Wiley,

I'm glad the situation was resolved without anyone getting hurt, however there are a couple of questions I would like you to consider. Firstly, what would have happened if they hadn't backed off after you pulled your knives? What if they'd considered that as a challenge? Do you have any training in MBC, many street punks work very hard at their fighting skills. If a fight had started are you prepared to get cut? The old saying "the winner of the knife fight died next day in hospital" has a great deal of truth to it. What if you had won the fight, how would you have persuaded the police that you weren't the aggressor when you're the one left standing with a knife in your hand? Finally what if the shotgun had gone off, you'd probably be facing a manslaughter charge at least and a good chance of being raped in the prison shower.

What might be more useful is to look at how the situation developed in the first place and what you might have done to prevent it escalating to the point where you felt compelled to draw a weapon. Marc "Animal" MacYoung's website http://www.diac.com/~dgordon/ is the most useful self-defence resource I have found on the net. His pyramid approach shows that there is a great deal that can be done to defend yourself before the necessity for violence or the use of a weapon. Food for thought, you may not be so lucky next time.

Take care,
Clay

"The trouble is that you think you have time."

[sam the man..]

*whoah!*

have spydies will travel

[darkjedi458]

just like iv always said...no matter what kind of knife you got a good pump 12 gauge delivers the message a whole lot better. iv only had to put a shotgun in someones face one time and i hope to god its the last cause i dont mind saying i was terrified. that was the scariest thing i ever did.

" we chased our pleasures here...dug our treasures there...can you still recall how we cried...break on through to the other side" - the doors

[wiley sharp]

clay, yes, i have two years of mbc training,also much training in the areas of nonleathal control, and some diffrent styles of martial arts. its one of my passions. don't worry, i would have let the punk make the first move, and i was verrrry prepared to get cut. thats something that my sensay tought me.

[wiley sharp]

oh, yes, clay...... there were no bullets in my shot gun. i was relying on the sound of the action to scare him away. it worked...... quite well.....

much thanks to remmington arms company.

[stu]

I'm glad you are o.k., sounds like you got lucky.

stu

[Jeff/1911]

Wiley,

Glad you're OK. Keep an eye out for that last guy, he sounds like a real wingnut.

Jeff.

[Jeff/1911]

Clay,

That site you referred to is FABULOUS! It's what I've been looking for a long, long time. Good on you, lad!

Gratefully, Jeff/1911.

[ruxton]

nice one wiley! you did EXACTLY what i'd do if that happened to me
MAT

[mnblade]

Where did this incident happen? And on what date?

[wiley sharp]

glad to hear that i did the right thing. i was hoping that I wouldn't loose respect w/any of you. this happened last 2 saturdays ago, at about 8:00. if any of you feel that I did the wrong thing, tell me.

[hy]

Wiley, I'm not saying you did the wrong thing but it might have been wiser to just ignore his insults and go into your house, especially since you had reached your house already. In light of the hockey dad case, the fact that you have MBC and martial arts training would count against you if you had gotten into a fight and hurt him. The best thing for you to do now is to go to the police and tell them that someone has been threathening violence against your family and mention the rape threat. If anything happens later, the fact that he had previously made threats of bodily harm would make him look like the aggresor whatever the outcome is. Just my 2 cents.

[mnblade]

Where did this incident happen? In what city?

[aero_student]

I don't want to sound like a jerk but I have learned my lesson about these stories especially after the last one like this posted by the not quite so tactical one aka tactical pun. I would have thought that the police would have more fully disarmed the situation. I most definitely would not have odne the bit with the shotgun. I would have tried to stick with the police and made sure they removed all agressors.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Wiley,

I don't think you did the right thing by pulling out the shotgun. You should NEVER pull a gun on someone unless you plan to use it! The gun was empty but what if that guy had a gun that wasn't? What if he fired at you and shot someone in your house? How would you feel then? I would never pull my weapon out unless I was going to use it. I now there are a lot of what ifs but anything could have happened. You should have just ignored him... sticks and stones...
I have no less respect for you now than before, but what did bringing the shotgun into the picture accomplish? Don't ever underestimate your attacker!

Now back to Dirty Harry... JustDavid you're right, you jogged my memory. "This is a 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. It could blow your head clean off. You're probably wondering whether I fired five shots or six? Well, in all that excitement I kinda lost track myself. You have to ask yourself a question... Do you feel lucky punk?... Well do ya?"
I'm pretty sure that is it.

Dick Casull was hot-loading Colt single actions in the 50s with custom made five shot cylinders. The first year of the Freedom Arms revolvers were 83-84
I believe Dirty Harry was around 1978.

[J Smith]

I carry a Kimber 45 alot.Don't let this ofend but if I needed to draw a firearm on someone I would for sure have a cartrige in the chamber.Never can tell,you might have to use it.

Jeff

[wiley sharp]

thank you all for your input. i really probably shouldn't have gotten my gun, but the guy was obviously intoxicated or something to that nature, and when he came to my house, and threatened my family, i got pissed, and now I realize that I was acting very rashly. however, I feel that many of you do understand why I did what I did, and Also, that If the same thing happened to you, where some wierdo rapest stood on your front porch with a knife with the intent of harm to you and your family, you would have acted in much the same way.

[mnblade]

Hello?
Where did this incident happen? In what city?

[kraziekurtis]

Did it even happen or are we dealing with another TTO here?

[mnblade]

Is TTO the same as BS?

[wiley sharp]

hello? TTO? nope. this happened in Ritzville Washington, Why?

[mnblade]

Why? Let's just say I'm a bit skeptical of any cowboy story that doesn't star John Wayne. I'd be interested to see some corroborating evidence, be it an online police report or a write up in local paper. If the police were involved, there is a record of this somewhere.
I'm NOT saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying that I like to see some evidence before blindly accepting anything.

[wiley sharp]

mnblade, i am not asking you to beleive anything. obviously you are a skeptic, and frankly, i dont care. i know what happened to me, i feel that what I did was the right thing. your doubt is your concern. there will be little coverage in scanner, paper or internet, because we called officer todd haddorf at his house, his girl is in my class. the only newspaper coverage is a quote saying that "there was a fight that was broken up on the corner of 4th and adams street last saturday. there were no blows thrown, and a squad car was notified to the scene."

[vlf_11]

what is your problem you dont believe us well that is your problem because that did happen and if it didn't oh then i must be dreaming. ha no way, and why do you care if it is true or not? so quite being a fag and if you dont believe then get off his post.

sincerly vlf_11

[Brian Lavin]

This is turning into the "teen angst" forum, IMO. All this posturing, tsk,tsk. "get off his thread"?
Yeah, keyboard commandos are very brave indeed.

[Knife Knut]

Here is a theory:
Proper training tempers rash actions.

Knife Knut on a shoestring budget.

[wiley sharp]

whats with ganging up on me? i did not intend for this post to turn into a f***ing fued. all I wanted was to get input. I feel as though I am beiong dogged by quite afew of you. may I remind you, that this was a serious issue, for me and my family, and that it is not to be SCOFFED at. by calling me a liar, you are also calling my family and friends one also. lets not make more of this than it really is, please. and also, as i stated earlyer, I do not care if you don't beleive, but please, if you don't keep it to yourselves. it is my goal to not loose any respect w/ any of you, and many of you have assured me that I haven't. but if that is true, than my "teen Angst" should come in second to this thread, and if you wish to confront me about it, please post it in a new thread or something, and there is no need to be pissy.

[bildrac]

Edited by - bildrac on 1/21/2002 9:34:45 AM

[sal]

hindsight is always 20/20. It is fortunate that no one was hurt and no one went to jail.

sal

[wiley sharp]

O.k, EVERYONE, I know what you would have done, but just a little role play for you, but what if some street punk came to YOUR house, threatened YOUR family, after he previously pulled a knife on you, and you allready called a cop to break it up? then, this dude came after you after the cop left @ your front porch..... well, if the knife doesn't get it through to him, and the cops dont get it through to him, and he still is going after you, well, an empty shot gun doesn't seem so bad, now does it? and an empty shot gun works quite well, doesn't it? and if I was lieing, why would I be defending my self so
much? why would Chris be defending me so much? HE WAS THERE!!! why would I cook up some half*****scam like this, anyways? this is a serious issue, and a lie about this would be stupid, so why would I? half of you keep giving me crap about this, but YOU WERN'T THERE, WERE YOU?????? WHAT I DID WAS TO PROTECT ME AND MY FAMILY!!!!!

[Brian Lavin]

"snicker" someone's off his meds.

[wiley sharp]

bull sh*t!!! how many times must I ask you to keep this serious? you act as if this happened to you you wouldn't have been angry! guess what? you would of, and given the weight of this senario, i'd shut your mouth. I am tired of being ignored. all I ask for is that you take me serious, the fact that I am younger shouldn't set your "adult"or "mature" opinions against me, my judgement was instinctual. protect me, my friend, his girlfriend, and foremost my family and its honor. i am fighting an up hill battle here, but I wont let petty inbaciles get the best of me. cant you see that what i did was NATURAL? you may ask me doubtfull questions, and even insult me, or think i am a fool for doing what I did, but what you are all refusing to grasp is that many of you would have done the exact same thing if this happened to you!!!!!!

[mnblade]

>"you may ask me doubtfull questions, and even insult me, or think i am a fool for doing what I did, but ..."

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I don't think you're a fool for doing what you did.

[wiley sharp]

thanks, mnblade.

[Gary]

A few comments seeing you "asked" for them:
We are not your judge wiley... but you would never get a jury as tolerant as us.
Who would protect your family while you were in jail?
Don't confuse a less than controlled reaction with a "NATURAL" reaction.
All's well that end's well, but don't tempt fate a second time.
Gary
By the way, up here a frosty is an iced mug of tap beer. I raise my frosty to you.

[kraziekurtis]

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I would probably call the cops again and try to get him for continuous harassment and threats or something of the sorts...

Edited by - kraziekurtis on 1/22/2002 11:12:34 AM

[mnblade]

&gt;&quot;thanks, mnblade.&quot;

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For what? I just wrote that I don't think you're a fool for doing what you did.

[wiley sharp]

well mnblade, alot of people are starting to think i am a fool for doing what I did, and even more are angry at me for defending myself for so long. thank you for not thinking that i am a fool that is.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Wiley,

I never stated you are a fool, my first post said way to go. When I took a moment to think about it I said &quot;I&quot; think you did the wrong thing. That's just my opinion, of which you asked us (forumites) for. Sometimes when you do something like that you have to think of the consequences, sometimes in a split second. I'm not angry at you or think you're stupid or anything. I'm just giving you feedback.

I got off topic when I corrected Brian about Dirty Harry. He quoted it as &quot;Do I feel lucky&quot;? It doesn't go like that. It's &quot;Do YOU feel lucky&quot;?

[wiley sharp]

hooser,
i appercate your feed back, because it was serious. but its people who say that I am
&quot;off my meds&quot; that piss me off.

[mnblade]

&gt;&quot;thank you for not thinking that i am a fool that is.&quot;

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Don't get hasty, son.