"...and China produces crappy knives."

[JspyEDC]

Anyone else been as impressed as I with what the Chinese have done showcasing their country at the Olympics?

Their architecture and retail environment along with simply managing a country of 1.3 BILLION people...?

Seems to me the Chinese have put it all together. I think I'll carry my Tenacious today. (Been edc-ing it a lot lately.)

[The Deacon]

Don't know what this has to do with Spydercos but, the Chinese government has definitely proven that a totalitarian state has major advantages in orchestrating a show. Cut pollution by banning private vehicles. Prohibit sale of foods that "Westerners" might find offensive. Create a permit system for "registering" protesters, then arrest and detain any with the temerity to apply. Restrict where journalists can go, what the can see, and what they can say.

Yep, from the faked fireworks to the faked child singer, to athletes who may become organ donors if they fail to produce medals, it's been quite a show - as long as you pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[vampyrewolf]

... to athletes who may become organ donors if they fail to produce medals, it's been quite a show - as long as you pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Talk about incentive... what do they use for a pep talk? "your choices are the podium or the morgue, so get out there and take home a medal" :p

[bh49]

Anyone else been as impressed as I with what the Chinese have done showcasing their country at the Olympics?

Their architecture and retail environment along with simply managing a country of 1.3 BILLION people...?

Seems to me the Chinese have put it all together.


Sorry, I am not impressed. I think I am quite a few years older than you are, and I remember well that best performer in the past were USSR and East Germany, which had the same communist government, as People's Republic of China.
I agree with everything what Paul said and actually it can go much father than just to became organ donors.

[Agent Starling]

what bh said.

[JspyEDC]

Don't know what this has to do with Spydercos but, the Chinese government has definitely proven that a totalitarian state has major advantages in orchestrating a show. Cut pollution by banning private vehicles. Prohibit sale of foods that "Westerners" might find offensive. Create a permit system for "registering" protesters, then arrest and detain any with the temerity to apply. Restrict where journalists can go, what the can see, and what they can say.

Yep, from the faked fireworks to the faked child singer, to athletes who may become organ donors if they fail to produce medals, it's been quite a show - as long as you pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.


I was commenting simply from the perspective of commerce and development, not political atrocities and violations of human rights and fake 5-year old singers. ROFL! I simply believe China has the means to produce products that can be competitive throughout the world. That's what is has to do with Spyderco's, and many other products we use everyday, or soon will be. This thread was not meant to be hi-jacked into your extremist realm.

Does every act of a Country/Government have to be met with the perceived worst they have to offer? If international commerce were based solely on political cohesiveness and general popularity as a nation, the US would export nothing!

I guess since NBC has been so brutally censored the last 10 days, my perspective is way off.

[LowSpeedHighDrag]

China has horrible human rights, thats why countries like the US pay them to make their stuff, you know, because China uses what is basically slave labor. I dont think we need to be paying China to make our stuff when they are just as Totalitarian as some of our Middle Eastern enemies.

[kimjune01]

But they sure have a lot less debt than America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt) does:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w129/kimjune01/untitled.jpg

[THG]

Have you seen the bull they've been pulling in Women's Gymnastics? Last night they stole a gold from my babe Nastia Liukin :(

And just the night before, another chinese girl who did an epic fail of a vault (landed on her hands and knees) robbed American Alicia Sacramone of her Bronze. Unbelievable, inexcusable, and unfair.

And in the Women's All-Around Gymnastics, they robbed Russia of the Bronze.

The unfair judging has been pretty much unanimously agreed upon by both commentators and former professional coaches.

So as far as I'm concerned, the Olympics (at least gymnastics) is BS.

[bluemist]

<snip> This thread was not meant to be hi-jacked into your extremist realm.<snip>

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Actually speaking one's mind is becoming extreme, especially when one has the audacity to speak the truth. We are becoming a world obssesed w/ perception, reality be damned.

[The Deacon]

I was commenting simply from the perspective of commerce and development, not political atrocities and violations of human rights and fake 5-year old singers. ROFL! I simply believe China has the means to produce products that can be competitive throughout the world. That's what is has to do with Spyderco's, and many other products we use everyday, or soon will be. This thread was not meant to be hi-jacked into your extremist realm.

Does every act of a Country/Government have to be met with the perceived worst they have to offer? If international commerce were based solely on political cohesiveness and general popularity as a nation, the US would export nothing!

I guess since NBC has been so brutally censored the last 10 days, my perspective is way off.What you meant and what you wrote seem to be two different things.

You did not speak about China's ability to produce quality goods, a point on which I would agree with you and of which the Tenacious is most certainly a good example. I would challenge you to find one sentence I have ever posted on this or any other forum criticizing Spyderco for their decision to manufacture knives there or commenting negatively on the quality of the Tenacious. I hold extremist views about a number of things and am damn proud of them. But I would not classify my feelings toward trade with China as extreme by any stretch of the imagination.

The truth is, your original post asked if anyone was impressed by "what the Chinese have done showcasing their country at the Olympics?" That is what I was responding to, and I stand by my response.

[bluemist]

So you don't do liner locks, Deacon? Not at all? I am curious about your opinion of the Viel II. I think it is a great loose in back pocket knife.

[JspyEDC]

What you meant and what you wrote seem to be two different things.

You're the first person I have met who can interpret my "thoughts" by simply reading a the first sentence.


You did not speak about China's ability to produce quality goods, a point on which I would agree with you...

I appreciate your agreement with what I didn't say....


I would challenge you to find one sentence I have ever posted on this or any other forum criticizing Spyderco for their decision to manufacture knives there or commenting negatively on the quality of the Tenacious.

I didn't say that... but I guess thats what I was thinking?


I hold extremist views about a number of things and am damn proud of them.

Can you guess what I am thinking now?


The truth is, your original post asked if anyone was impressed by "what the Chinese have done showcasing their country at the Olympics?"

And that's where you stopped. My next words were architecture and retail environment.... But you stopped before that... and then you professed to know what I was thinking from reading the first few words? I am going to have to call you down on that one Deacon. I don't have to post here and really don't care if I do again or not. I doubt this is the first thread you have hi-jacked and proceeded to imbue others 'thoughts' despite their published words. Maybe I'm just the first person to tire of it. This is a public forum for public thoughts and I welcome any and every comment whether positive or negative. And I could care less if ANYONE agrees with me or not. This Forum is about one's own thoughts and one's own opinions. NOT about what you think I was trying to say after reading the first few words. I said exactly what I wanted to say and in the spirit of what I was thinking at the time. You were not close sir. Please do not speak for me from the omniscient point of view. And if that's not possible at least change your log-in name from The Deacon to GOD.... so we would all know where we stand.

[jujigatame]

There are knives of both good and poor quality coming out of China, just as there knives of both good and poor quality coming out of the USA, and anywhere else knives may be made. Whether or not they put on an Olympic spectacle has little, if anything, to do with making nice knives. Having a two week show doesn't make China a fundamentally different country than it was before the games started. They will still make competitive products at low cost, and they will still have a total lack of tolerance for any type of dissent and, by extension, some of the basic and most essential personal freedoms I believe in. The fact that these two conditions exist simultaneously is an object lesson in "one step forward and two steps back."

[snuffaluff]

Easy fellas... Let's not get caught up in a battle of words.

The national aquatic center (http://en.beijing2008.cn/venues/nac/index.shtml) is one heck of an amazing building.
I'll be honest and say that I've never been to China, nor have I see a lot of pictures showing off their retail centers or street vendors(stores). What is right around the Olympic complex is outstanding though.

[DRod]

Wasn't there alot of people that died making the olympic buildings?

[dialex]

Wasn't there alot of people that died making the olympic buildings?

I guess the leaders considered, in their enlightment that, just like in a hive, the drones are expandable.