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Don Ellis
03-05-2009, 11:17 PM
To call this a review might suggest I know what I’m talking about, so let me just offer some impressions…

Despite all the other flashlight threads, I thought this fairly new flashlight (torch to my British friends) deserved its own – simply to put it in front of people who were considering a new flashlight in the near future.

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/spyderco/fenix_kopa640.jpg

Background
Like a lot of people, my first good flashlight was a Maglite. I chose the C-cell size for its grip and I have 2-, 3- and 4-battery versions placed around the house. But once I discovered SureFires a few years ago, the Maglites became more clubs than lights.

My favourite SureFires use 2 CR123 batteries – I think one is the Executive and the other two are CombatLights (don’t quote me). I swapped out their bulbs for the high-intensity ones that gave me twice the light – for 20 minutes, rather than 60 minutes. When I bought them, they were great. I thought I could signal the moon. Suitably equipped, I promptly forgot about flashlights.

Present Day
One of the pleasures of ignoring flashlights for so many years is that the new technology comes as a revelation. Earlier this week, I decided I had to have a new flashlight and dropped in at my Spyderco dealer’s. He suggested a Fenix (having lost the SureFire dealership for some reason) and I took a look at a variety of models – finally deciding on the single-battery (CR123) PD20.

In the shop, and from memory, it appeared to be as bright as the lights I’m using, so I bought it. I asked about extra bulbs and he laughed and said I didn’t need one – it was an LED rated for 50,000 hours. I own an LED with about a dozen LEDs that I bought for about US$10 for reading in the back of taxis at night – so the idea of a single LED and one battery performing as well as my high-powered, two-battery SureFires was astonishing.

Casual Test
I took it home that night, put new CR123s in my SureFires and tested them against the Fenix PD20 in the dark. The Fenix was noticeably brighter – and just as important, whiter. And there are other benefits: The Fenix is 56 grams versus 144 grams for the SureFire. It’s much smaller. And at US$60, it is half the price I paid for the SureFires.

Features
The Fenix PD20 has six positions at two levels of brightness. The Turbo mode has a high beam and a high flashing beam. The Low mode has Low, Medium, High and High Flashing – and the Low High is about half as bright as the Turbo High (94 versus 180 lumens).

Personally, I will use the Turbo Beam nearly all of the time. At this setting, the life of the single battery is one hour – three times what my SureFires are with two of the same battery. (A note here for non-flashlight people: You would be amazed how long even 20 minutes lasts. Very few people turn a flashlight on and leave it on… it’s most often used in spurts.) Of course, there’s always the longer-lasting Lowest setting if you want to use it for your candlelit dinner. Set it on the table and point it up. Run times at various settings are in the specifications at this end of this message.

There are two slots for a lanyard or quick-release or whatever or Hello Kitty dangly-bit. These two slotted shoulders also offer some protection from accidentally turning it on in your pocket. And I like the idea of a single battery -- less to fumble with and drop when you're really in the dark and replacing a dead one.

Utility
The Turbo Beam throws a beautifully circular pattern with a bright centre and a smooth, concentric aura. The lowest beam is comfortable for reading. The strobe functions might possibly be useful someday – on Turbo mode, touching the on/off button lightly switches back and forth between steady/strobe beams, both on high. The flashlight is “waterproof to IPX-8 standard” which has conflicting definitions in my brief research – figure that you can drop it in water and leave it for awhile, but don’t take it diving.

Uses
As I said, Turbo Beam is my preference. But I’ve had great luck in Hong Kong attracting the attention of taxi drivers parked at a distance by “blinking” them with the strobe setting. Just make sure you use it on parked taxis and sweep it across the vehicle rather than directing it at them. Works wonders. Ah, yes, here he is now…

SureFire Disclaimer
My SureFires are many years old and I have no doubt that the newer ones are much better than the ones I own. They are also more of a handful, if that appeals to you. And they’re heavier, in case you’re throwing them at someone. Also, mine have a nice feature missing on the Fenix – you can lightly depress the button on the back with your thumb and the light goes on; take your thumb off and it goes off – then you fully depress to keep it on. On the Fenix, you must completely depress the button to get it on at all, and completely depress it to turn it off.

Also, the SureFires are better suited for thumb operation simply because of their size and there’s not a guard around the thumb button. The Fenix is tiny – but ultimately I like that. You need to have a flashlight with you for it to be of any use and the PD20 is so small and light that you can drop it in a suit coat pocket and not notice it. With my SureFire, there’s a big bulge and I list to the right.

Impressionistic Conclusion
If you’re shopping for a flashlight/torch and are willing to consider one in the US$60 range, definitely take a look at the Fenix PD20. I’m glad I did and I will be picking up another.

Fenix PD20 Specifications
Cree Premium Q5 LED with a life of 50,000 hours

2 modes with 6 types of output…

General mode - 9 lumens (35 hours) - 47 lumens (6.5 hours) - 94 lumens (2.6 hours) - SOS signaling.
Turbo mode - 180 lumens constant (1 hour) - strobe.

Digitally regulated output maintains constant brightness
Uses one CR123A Lithium Battery
83mm (length) by 21.5mm diameter
Made from T6 - aircraft grade aluminium
Premium durable type 111 hard anodized anti abrasive finish
39 gram weight (56 grams with battery)
Waterproof to IPX-8 standard
Toughened ultra-clear glass lens with anti-reflective coating
Push button tailcap switch
Capable of standing up securely on a flat surface to use as a candle
Included accessories: Holster, lanyard, two spare O-rings and a rubber switch boot

Cheers,
Don

P.S. Here's a larger photo. (http://www.kleptography.com/dl/spyderco/fenix_kopa1024.jpg)

P.P.S. And in an attempt to give SureFire their due, I thought I would check out their LED offerings (http://www.surefire.com/Flashlights#battery-led). None of them comes close to the stated 180 lumens of the Fenix PD20 and all are much more expensive. Again, they have ergonomics going for them, but for size and brightness and price, I would choose the Fenix again and am happier than ever with my choice.

Brad S.
03-05-2009, 11:57 PM
Great review Don, and nice photo to boot!

Ive been carrying a PD20 for at least a year now everyday, its a fantastic light!! Its for sure my favorite of the entire Fenix line up. I was suprised when it removed my much more expensive Surefire E1B from my pocket (not sure if I even touched that light since then:rolleyes: hmmm)

PD20 and a Stretch
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/Tricod/Pd20Stretch.jpg

Don Ellis
03-06-2009, 12:08 AM
Great review Don, and nice photo to boot!

Ive been carrying a PD20 for at least a year now everyday, its a fantastic light!! Its for sure my favorite of the entire Fenix line up. I was suprised when it removed my much more expensive Surefire E1B from my pocket (not sure if I even touched that light since then:rolleyes: hmmm)

Lovely photo yourself, Brad... much more natural and enticing. And it looks like you've got my flashlight and my knife! :D Although considering chronology, I suppose I have yours. ;)

I'm extremely satisfied with this tiny thing and will be getting another soon. As for yours being a year old, I guess they're no longer NEW, despite what my dealer and the website says. Still, I'm glad I finally found it.

Cheers,
Don

Brad S.
03-06-2009, 12:49 AM
Well sadly, not my light, or my knife... But my photo :) my PD20 looks more umm beat up/dirty/loved/abused.../ enjoyed daily.

boxer93
03-06-2009, 10:28 AM
Don,
Good 'review' I just replaced my keychain light with an E01(datan reccomendation) and got an L2T(nofair reccomendation) for home. IMHO there is no comparison to the surefires. I have a G2 which was much brighter than what I had before. These LED are just a step above what I am used to.
BTW I just picked up a couple of Black Quinces before they are all gone :)
Chris

Don Ellis
03-06-2009, 11:34 PM
Don,
Good 'review' I just replaced my keychain light with an E01(datan reccomendation) and got an L2T(nofair reccomendation) for home. IMHO there is no comparison to the surefires. I have a G2 which was much brighter than what I had before. These LED are just a step above what I am used to.
BTW I just picked up a couple of Black Quinces before they are all gone :)
Chris

Thank you... I missed datan's recommendation but after I equipped myself with the firepower of the Fenix PD20, I looked for a tiny, lightweight replacement for my taxi reading light. Like you, I chose the E01, which puts out a steady 10 lumens -- perfect for reading in the dark without a lot of eyestrain. And also waterproof for reading in a flood.

Also like you, I'm going to pick up another Black Quince... I like the dark look and the combination of wood and steel.

I just went out to the terrace and took a few photos of the Fenix E01...

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/spyderco/fenix1.jpg


http://www.kleptography.com/dl/spyderco/fenix2.jpg


http://www.kleptography.com/dl/spyderco/fenix3.jpg


http://www.kleptography.com/dl/spyderco/fenix4.jpg
Cheers,
Don

Netsquash
03-06-2009, 11:57 PM
I've been looking for a nice flashlight. This one seems to be king so far. My question is why would they use a CR123 battery? I have never owned a decent flashlight but CR123 seems to be a little obscure for a battery. What is there reason for picking such a non standard battery?

Don Ellis
03-07-2009, 12:38 AM
I've been looking for a nice flashlight. This one seems to be king so far. My question is why would they use a CR123 battery? I have never owned a decent flashlight but CR123 seems to be a little obscure for a battery. What is there reason for picking such a non standard battery?

Actually, it's quite standard where I live... but it doesn't matter. Fenix has several AA models, including ones go up to 180 lumens like the PD20. What more could you want? Oh, a link... sure... :)
http://www.fenixoutfitters.com/flashlights/battery-type/a-a/

I like the CR123 batteries because they're short and squat... and because they're good for years on a shelf, so you can buy a few as backup and not worry if they've lost power in your camera bag.

[Edit]
Out of curiosity, I went over to the link and checked on 180-lumen AA torches from Fenix. Here are links to both:
Fenix LD20 (http://www.fenixoutfitters.com/flashlights/battery-type/a-a/fenix-ld20-267)
Fenix L2D Q5 (http://www.fenixoutfitters.com/flashlights/battery-type/a-a/fenix-l1d-q5-5)

Take a look at those and you'll realize how much longer they are because they have to accommodate two AA batteries, rather than a single, squat CR123. The AAs are 1.5V and the CR123 is 3V. That's probably your power answer right there.

And because of their shelf life, you can order 10 off the Internet if you have to and keep them for the future. But it's all up to you... I love the PD20 (with the CR123 battery) because it's so small, I will always carry it.

And I also mentioned the convenience of changing a single battery in the dark. But Fenix hasn't forgotten people who prefer AAs.

Cheers,
Don

NoFair
03-07-2009, 01:30 AM
Don,
Good 'review' I just replaced my keychain light with an E01(datan reccomendation) and got an L2T(nofair reccomendation) for home. IMHO there is no comparison to the surefires. I have a G2 which was much brighter than what I had before. These LED are just a step above what I am used to.
BTW I just picked up a couple of Black Quinces before they are all gone :)
Chris

There are better and brighter Surefires than the G2;)

If you can try out an E2DL I promise you will be impressed:)

The AA and AAA Fenix lights are very nice though:D

Sverre

RazorSharp86
03-07-2009, 01:32 AM
Wow. Great review.
I've got that light, and also think it's an amazing product.
I've actually got all the Fenix models, I really like their lights. Also, it's very affordable.

Netsquash
03-07-2009, 01:42 AM
Now that I did some looking around CR123 seems to be a much better battery then the North American standard batteries. I have used CR123 but only ever in Cameras. I did some ebay looking and it seems like a pack of 5 CR123 batteries and a charger is very cheap. When I get a flashlight it will be the ones with CR123s.

amen74
03-07-2009, 02:23 AM
Excellent torches! A Fenix PD20 is going to be my next torch!
Thanks for all the info Don!

Brad S.
03-07-2009, 04:00 AM
I for sure prefer the CR123, but your right, generally they are harder to find. I stock up on them so I'm sure to have some, and since they keep in storage forever I'm not worried at all. If you buy in bulk the price is pretty good.

I might also note, for those that prefer the AA Fenix does make the LD10, its a single AA battery light, about the same size as the PD20 (only slightly longer) It still puts out a great 120 lumens, which really aint nothing to sniff at. Thats what my dad carries, someday maybe he will see the light of the CR123.

Don Ellis
03-07-2009, 06:22 AM
Excellent torches! A Fenix PD20 is going to be my next torch!
Thanks for all the info Don!

You're quite welcome... I'm glad you found it useful. I hate buying things only to find out there was something I would have liked better, so I thought I would offer some first impressions.

It was this forum that brought Fenix to my attention and then my Spyderco dealer lost his SureFire line and began stocking Fenix instead. Sometimes things work out.

One other comment: Fenix does make an FD30 that uses 2 CR123 batteries. It's longer, which you may like, and the runtime is obviously longer... but both are listed at 180 lumens, so I chose small.

Don

Don Ellis
03-07-2009, 06:25 AM
Wow. Great review.
I've got that light, and also think it's an amazing product.
I've actually got all the Fenix models, I really like their lights. Also, it's very affordable.

Thank you... high praise coming from someone who has ALL their lights. But it's certainly easier on the wallet to own Fenix than SureFire. And they're brighter.

Don

Piet.S
03-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Yes they are good lights.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n202/Piet-S/IMG_0025.jpg

Jimd
03-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Great review! Great pics, too!
I've been a Surefire junky over the years, but the Fenix really seem to have a lot going for them, and at a lower price point.

I'm not certain how they compare in durability, but at some point, I'm going to give Fenix a try.

jb2009
03-07-2009, 07:09 PM
Beautiful pictures Don....And great review It looks like my kids can have my surefires afterall....It'll give me an excuse to get some of those Fenix's John

Don Ellis
03-08-2009, 08:05 PM
I mentioned that that one thing I liked about SureFire is that you can half-depress the tail switch and the light will come on – with the Fenix, you need to depress it fully to get the light on. I like the SureFire’s quick depress feature… it allows you to blip the light on for a few seconds and then off… all silently, without the click of total engagement.

I did learn something about the Fenix this weekend. You still need to depress the tail switch fully to turn it on, but you can then half-depress it (and keep it half-depressed) to turn it off. When you want more light again, let up and your beam returns. Basically, it works opposite to the SureFire for quick bursts of lights.

One proviso… you need to keep the light off for two seconds before you let up to switch it on again… if you let up sooner than two seconds, you’ll get the strobe effect.

This is all easier done that described, so if you have the flashlight, give it a try. It’s not as convenient as the SureFire because you need to keep pressure on the keep the light off, but it’s something.

Now the story: We talk about non-knife people (NKPs) on the forum, but I’ve recently run into several NFPs (non-flashlight people). Who would have thought there were intelligent people who couldn’t grasp the utility of a flashlight?

I showed my new Fenix to several bright young men in the office and got these responses:
“Why do you have that?” (Blank stare from me, caught unawares by ignorant question.)
“What do you use it for?” (“To see in the dark”… I’m warming up now.)
And from a guy who knows I live “in the country”: “Oh, it must be more useful where you live.” (“That’s right, there are no dark places in the city. But I’ll tell you this, if the electricity goes out on the subway we ride every day, I’m going to be the leader of a lot of people.")

The one woman I showed it to started to ignore it until I turned it on. “Waah,” she said, “bright,” and took it from me, looked it over, tested it a couple of times, asked if it was waterproof and whether it could be used for diving, and said she thought it was very cool.

Apparently I work with men who are so bright that they see no need for a flashlight. And at least one woman who is brighter than them.

Don

Don Ellis
03-08-2009, 08:11 PM
Yes they are good lights.

Nice photo... thanks. And how did you get such a fat cord through such a skinny hole?

Don

Netsquash
03-08-2009, 08:21 PM
NFP seem like fun to play with. While I don't carry a flashlight (although I will soon) I am not about to ask a guy why he carries one. That would be asking for a stupid answer to a stupid question.... "Why do you carry a flashlight" Answer: "SHHH...Don't tell anyone, but it's not really a flashlight. I'm simply one of the last remaining Jedi."

Plenty of people carry various EDC items, knives, wrenches, tire pressure gauges, tape measures. Basically anything and everything. They are all useful to the person who carries them. Most people don't EDC useless items.

Netsquash
03-08-2009, 08:24 PM
Nice photo... thanks. And how did you get such a fat cord through such a skinny hole?

Don

...That's what she said...(so sorry, but I had to)

whkento
03-08-2009, 09:47 PM
Thanks for the review and subsequent replies. I just recently found out about the Fenix lights, looked at the website and just needed to hear some unbiased opinions.

I plan to get one soon. :D

With regard to NFPs and NKPs, it's amazing, isn't it, how ignorant / unprepared some people are willing to be. :rolleyes:

tengc82
07-30-2011, 12:11 AM
...That's what she said...(so sorry, but I had to)

LOL!! That's exactly what I was thinking.

SolidState
07-30-2011, 02:02 AM
I just ordered a pd30. I look forward to shining some light on the Fenix phenomenon soon...

jackknifeh
08-26-2011, 08:56 AM
I ordered a Fenix LD10 yesterday. It should be here tomorrow. I've been using a Mini-maglite with the Nite-Ize 1 watt LED and IQ switch for a couple of years. I had the mini-maglite for I don't know how many years. This forum was the first place I saw evidence that there were people who paid as much attention to flashlights as some people pay to knives. I got the LD10 for now and maybe for ever. I'm not "into" flashlights or not yet but I always have liked small ones because I used to work on telephone systems and other communications stuff that meant getting into a lot of atticks, closets, etc. I was in one attick about 50' from the entrance when the bulb in my mini-maglite burned out. It was PITCH black and this attick had lots of nails and things up there. Also I had to keep my feet on the joists or I'd fall through onto someone's desk.

Anyway, I hope I like the new light. Even with the 1 watt upgrade for the maglite the Fenix should be about double the output at 100 lumens setting. That's with only one AA battery. It's only 3.9" long. I also like the SOS feature, not that I'll ever need it but you never know.

I hope you like the picture. It took me a long time to set the scene. :rolleyes:
17342


Jack
PS Edit: Here are the features of my new light. You guys may already know them.


Specifications & Additional Information:
•Cree XP-G (R5) LED with a lifespan of 50,000 hours
•Five Lighting Modes:
•Turbo: 100 Lumens - 1 hr 45 min
•High: 45 Lumens - 4 hrs 40 min
•Medium: 13 Lumens - 11 hrs
•Low: 3 Lumens - 70 hrs
•Flashing Mode:
•Strobe: 45 Lumens
•SOS: 45 Lumens
•Uses one 1.5V AA (Alkaline, Ni-MH)
•Digitally regulated output - maintains constant brightness
•Push-button tail cap switch
•Capable of standing up securely on a flat surface to serve as a candle
•Anti-roll, slip-resistant body design
•Made of durable aircraft-grade aluminum with type III hard-anodized anti-abrasive finish
•Toughened ultra-clear glass lens with anti-reflective coating
•Included accessories: two spare o-rings
•Length Overall: 3.9"
•Head Diameter: .85"
•Weight w/o Batteries: 2.0 oz.
•Made In: China

I'm not sure what all of them mean but I'll learn.

DeathBySnooSnoo
08-26-2011, 08:25 PM
After going back and forth a million times over different lights, I finally decided that I really need two. So I ordered a Fenix E15 which will go on my keychain, and then once I have some money I am going to get something slightly bigger and much brighter. I am leaning towards a Lumapower IncenDio V3U with the RCR batteries in order to get that max 370 lumens out of it.