Dyad w/Harpy & Delica Blade

[toothed]

While using my Merlin today, I was thinking to myself about the usefulness of this blade. The only difficulty I encounter with this hawkbill design is when I need to slice things (like steak, sandwiches, pizza, etc.). Then it hit me. I need a Dyad-type (two blade) Spyderco with a hawkbill and a flat ground clip-point blade.



Just wondering: Is it possible to manufacture? (Suggestion: start with a Merlin-like handle and add the clip-point). Would there be enough demand to make it feasible for Spyderco to produce? What do you think?

[travis quaas]

Toothed,
What a wonderful idea. That's why the <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> forum is here. Your idea has definite possibilities! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> I think having the hawkbill and a traditional blade has many applications. As far as feasibility...you're getting into things that are far beyond me. But, like I said, I like the idea.

TQ

[Big-Target]

Carlos!!!!! Sal !!!!!! Did you just read this idea??????

If so, PLEASE!!!! Start cracking the whip on the designing crew!!!!!<img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

BIG-TARGET>>>>"Do not think you are,,,,,,,Know you are!!!"--Morpheus(The Matrix)

[Sword and Shield]

Ooooo...I like! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> I'll take one, VG-10 and G-10 please. How about blade options? Since both blades are &quot;off the rack&quot;, maybe it would be possible to choose PE or SE.

Keepin' it real...real sharp, that is.

[Mongrel]

ahhhh.....GREAT IDEA!

On the same track!!! At least I'm not alone <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>.

After handling the full size Dyad, and experiencing it's rather ackward ergonomics my mind drifted to the 'ultimate' two-bladed Sypdie.

And coincidentally, it did involve the usage of the MerlinHarpy hawkbill SERRATED blade coupled with either a Native, Endura, or even the Police styled blade.

Basically we need to change the frame so that both blades are acessed from the same end of the knife, OR change one of the blades into a non-Spydie hole opener and use a stud instead (if we want the blades to be opposing). This is the main problem with the Dyad- the blade that is not in use rides so high in the saddle that it is uncomfortable. By eliminating the 'hump' that accomodates the hole the profile of the blade could be really streamlined.

Now, as to which blades or handle shapes. I have taken scans of three various models-Native, Police, and Military, and also the Merlin and Harpy. I then take the scans and cut the blades off of the MerlinHarpy to give me an idea of how well it fits the profile of the BACK SIDE of the former models mentioned. It fits fairly well on the above models, but would fit better if the curve was lessoned a bit. I can't post these now as I am at work, but when I get a chance I will try to.

Picture a Native with EXACTLY the same handle geometry on both sides (mirror image). Now, picture a Merlin blade with a thumb stud, or very low riding hole, forming the 'backbone' of a normal Native. This is the basic idea. If SS scales or even thinned down G10 scales were used, we could keep the knife rather streamlined. Access to the Native PE blade would stay as is via Spydi hole, and as the handle is 'mirrored' could be the same on the secondary or hawk-billed Merlin blade. DOH! It just occurred to me that what the above really needs is TWO Native blades-one PE and one FS!!!! Picture that puppy!

The beauty in this is that in the open position BOTH BLADES would have the lovely feel of the Native.

Anyway, I know it's difficult to picture without pictures....

Anyway-it is a great idea and Spyderco should not abandon the large two-bladeddual purpose knife effort

Mongrel

Edited by - Mongrel on 6/5/2002 7:56:04 PM

[dialex]

I think that ATE had a close ideea when he described his &quot;paratrooper&quot; knife.

[sal]

2 bladed knives do present their problems as well. Our first entries, the Dyad and Dyad jr did not do as well as hoped. It probably doesn't help that another well known company produced a &quot;very similar&quot; model at one fourth the price.

sal

[Mongrel]

Hi Sal,

Good to see your post-thanks.

That &quot;other well-known company&quot; produced a real piece of junk imho too. It felt like a toy penny pocketknife!

Dyads are one of my all time favorite Spyderco's. I carry the Dyad Jr. in addition to my NativePolice EDC. It makes a nice little politically correct pocketknife to pull out when the 'sheeple' are around-heheh. They seem to think it's cute. I wonder what they would think if I demonstrated what it is really capable of!

As I said above, I hope you guys try and refine the Dyad idea as I relly believe it has merit. I think it may just have been a matter of ergonomics as to why they did not do as well as hoped.

Take care,

Mongrel

[voxnaes]

The other company should stick to making things that go booom.....
Vox.

[Big-Target]

sal;
Just a thought. Maybe THIS particular choice in blades, to use, might the sales increase???

BIG-TARGET>>>>"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." --Robert A. Heinlein

[toothed]

I agree with Big-Target. Perhaps, this time, with the combination of hawkbill and clip point blades, things might be different. I personally felt that the blades of the original Dyad were too similar functionally--i.e., it did not give me an advantage over a single combo (plain/serrated edge) blade knife.

With the use of the hawkbill blade the &quot;Dyad&quot; will probably need to be re-engineered (thanks for the ideas, Mongrel). Consider the possibilities if it was now made to conform with MBC specifications--a knife that will appeal to hunters, MBC practitoners, as well as, the rest of us looking for a useful EDC tool.

The two-bladed Trapper slipjoint has proved to be a classic user as well as collection item. Wouldn't it be nice for Spyderco to take the lead and develop the &quot;standard&quot; of two-bladed one-hand opening knives?

Let's keep talking about this concept to refine the design and overcome obstacles.