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tique
01-31-2001, 12:00 AM
I'm trying to find myself another good carry knife and I'm pretty much sold on another Spydie to do the job<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. I already have a Military (3 acutally) and a few others, but I am trying to find something with a bit better tip strength to it. I am thinking 3.5-4&quot; blade, VG-10 or 440V(maybe ATS-34), tip down preferred. About the only thing I can really find is the Starmate, might work, but the tip still looks a bit weak on it. Anybody have any input? I am pretty new to the Spydie scene, so I may have overlooked something either currently in production or out of production that isn't too hard to hunt down.



I had a Wegner, but traded it off due to the tip up carry, and it wasn't a plain edge model.

charlie
01-31-2001, 03:07 PM
Check out the PRO-GRIP C13. It has a thick drop-point tip. ss or FRN handle.

red mag
02-01-2001, 08:29 AM
3 milie's to 0 starmates!?
bad ratio, better change that. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Greetings
red

cerulean
02-01-2001, 11:34 PM
You could look at the Chinook: tip down, 3 3/4 inch blade, 440V. The point isn't nearly as thick as the Wegner's, but it's noticeably thicker than the one on the Military.

sal
02-03-2001, 09:33 AM
Hi Tique. OK if we explore the question a bit?

What do you mean by more tip strength?
What will you be doing with the tip that you would prefer more strength?
How much more strength?
A change in grind, thickness or shape would give you the strength desired?

Keeping in mind that the stronger a tip is, the less fine it is for detail, what is the optimum tip, in your opinion, and why?

With that information, I could suggest a different model and I would have valuable knowledge and opinion. It might even

sal

shootist16
02-03-2001, 05:26 PM
If you aren't hell bent on tip down I would take a serious look at the Wegner.

Dennis Bible

sam the man..
02-03-2001, 05:54 PM
I'd never use the pointy spydies to dig, pry or stab... *heh-heh-heh!* Dude, you musta loved your millie a LOT!! Good for you!! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Sam

have spydies
will travel...

tique
02-03-2001, 10:52 PM
Dennis,
I have actually had a Wegner before, I just couldn't get used to the tip up. I have to agree that it is an excellent knife, but for some reason it just didn't agree with my style, and that is before I considered the tip up problem it had, which totally ruled it out<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.

Samo,
Yep, love the Military. I have a 440V plain edge, ATS-34 serrated, and #30 forum<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Sal,
By more tip strength, I mean I like it to be more durable for things other than strictly cutting. I tend to actually almost abuse my carry piece on occasion as sometimes I am limited to only one blade, therefore I like to have one with decent size, and decent overall strength. The reason that I can only carry one knife is that I live on a college campus, and they are really odd with their knife rules. I cannot carry a balisong or switchblade, yet a 4&quot; tactical folder that fell out of my pocket in front of some of the campus cops on a very bad occasion caused no problems at all. And the knife that I really should carry, a fixed blade anything, is quite forbidden.
My carry pieces have had to do many things, some light pryings, even cutting a hole in the back of a desk one time while working on my computer. That was all done with an AFCK in M2, not the strongest tip in the world, but it did perform flawlessly.
I think part of the strength problem on the Military is the 440V, I have heard several incidents with it breaking either at the tip or further up the blade, this makes me very cautious when I am carrying mine. I would hate to break one at any given time, and I'd really hate to break it if it was the only knife on me at the time.
I think a change in any way would be a benefit, not on the military itself, but to another knife.
My preference for a harder use knife (basically one that is a folder filling the role of a fixed blade) is usually a spearpoint or a tanto. I think the tanto is almost useless as a knife blade, but it does have a strong tip, and is sharp, so on occasion I use one. The spearpoint I have found to be an excellent performer if the grind allows for a rather robust tip. One thing that I have not really seen on a standard folding knife is a weehawk blade that seems to be popular on the balisongs of current. I think it provides a really good combination of tip strength and penetration ablility, I have never had a problem with one.

I have been looking at the Starmate, but I see some problems in it also. I cannot find one locally to seriously look over, and cannot remember from the ones I have seen, so I'm stuck with just the pics I can find. It looks to me to be a weaker incarnation of the spearpoint, and it is a straight knife. I prefer to have a bit of an angle between the handle and edge ala Military, AFCK, etc.

Just for reference, one of my favorite folders that stands up to more abuse than anything is a Pacific Cutlery balisong, I think it's a 259B, that has been around for a good while. It's biggest advantage over all my other knives is the 3/16&quot; weehawk blade. Tip on it is awesome and the thing is all kinds of tough.

sal
02-05-2001, 07:19 PM
H Tique. thanx for the input. the Native is similar to a wee hawk blade, but it's tip up. The new ATR is a modified spearpoint tip, but also tip up.

I will consider your needs in future designs of modifications to current designs.

sal

tique
02-05-2001, 08:47 PM
Sal, thanks for the input.

I haven't seen much on the ATR, does someone have more pics/specs on it, as well as an approximate ship date?

The Native is a possibility, but still has the 440V steel in it.

I may look into getting a Wegner and modifying it to a tip up model sometime, might be my best bet at the minute.