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Zac
06-16-2006, 09:58 PM
Today I bought an Emerson Karambit (waved) as I got it way below retail from a closing store and I have never owned an Emerson. I've never been super attracted to waved as I carry tip down on my knives. I've done work with a Karambit before (not much but some training) and thought a waved Emerson would be cool. Well, I'm not sure. It has a liner lock which isnt easy to work with (although engaging isnt hard) and is a small blade as most are, with a large handle and the hole for index finger insertion. This makes it extremely wide and hard for non-shalant carry and uncomfortable. As far as self defense, it's not bad...however, look at it versus the Civilian. It lacks size meaning you need to be closer. It lacks serrations meaning cutting could be jammed by very thick clothes and the cutting edge is unproportinately less (the Civilian works as it is a much larger knife as it cuts faster than a PE one). It is a traditional hawkbill and doesn't operate on the two planes of a Civilian and is too small to make any type of block meaning you need to make a direct hit on the first go or be prepared to be shiskabobed. It does not have a good hole for easy access if the wave on the draw is missed. In total length, it is over 3.5 inches shorter than the Civilian. Blatantly said, if someone pulled that on me when I have a C12S Civilian (I have trained as used this knife so I am very fimaliar with it), they are screwed.

Consequently, I do not like this for self defense and for utility this knife is worthless without serations IMO (I use a Harpy when at sea). So now the question is, do I make this a "case monkey" as it is a neat knife and fun to play with...or do I sell it and make a bit of a profit along the way. It's cool and I wouldn't mind keeping it, but I also like knives I can beat on and/or use for very effective self defense, and this isnt one of them. So make your pick, stay or go. Opinions are welcomed.

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smcfalls13
06-16-2006, 10:36 PM
I'd sell it. Personally, I prefer short blades for utility, but the curve on the Emerson Karambit is too steep to be of much use for utility, at least to me.

Not qualified to comment on SD issues, but that knife looks most comfortable in reverse grip. Reverse grip and short blade? That's going to bring the attack real close. Too close for my taste. I'm a run first and slash later kinda guy.

If it were the Satin finish instead of the coated, I'd say keep it, because they're always tough to find, and that may be an investment.

rcbalt2
06-17-2006, 12:39 AM
Sell it. Buy a waved E 4. the wave looks and works great it still has the hole and its comfy in any grip

druid
06-17-2006, 12:54 AM
I would sell it, have little or no experience to basis on I'm not a fan of the self-defense karambit. I personally think it kind of a fad in the self-defense industry. Again nothing to basis this on. The only karambit actually 2 that I would really like to have where a custom-made pair of exact replicas of the traditional knife, which as I understand it was used for a wide variety of Hunter gatherer tasks. With self-defense applications however even these applications do not involve much swinging of the knife by the loop. But back to the knives they were a matched set of fixed blades one size to the native hand, any other size to the European in my opinion very cool collectors pieces. But not users and certainly not a primary self-defense weapon aaa I mean tool. :)

Jim Malone
06-17-2006, 01:50 AM
it's ahighly specialised blade, usefull for those who are proficient with the use of the karambit. It takes dedication to learn how to handle this type of knife. From a financial vieuwpoint i would only sell it if i needed the money.
If you don't have to worry about money keep it.
If not sell it and buy :spyder:

Gerard Breuker
06-17-2006, 04:31 AM
I would keep it as it looks to be a good example of a karambit folder and it has a wave which should make fast deployment a possibility at least.
Comparing it to a Civilian for SD doesn't make sense IMO as the karambit is part of a completely different style. As is the Gunting and the coming P'kal.
I don't carry or will carry any of those but I appreciate the designs.

mr.vu
06-17-2006, 07:45 AM
If you dont use it, then I suggest selling it!

Vu

CopilotATS-55
06-17-2006, 11:39 AM
Sell it for another Emerson or Spyderco :D

Zac
06-17-2006, 12:30 PM
I would keep it as it looks to be a good example of a karambit folder and it has a wave which should make fast deployment a possibility at least.
Comparing it to a Civilian for SD doesn't make sense IMO as the karambit is part of a completely different style. As is the Gunting and the coming P'kal.
I don't carry or will carry any of those but I appreciate the designs.

Im not comparing it to the Civilian in terms of style, but in general. No matter what style, the goal is to win.

SoCal Operator
06-17-2006, 01:37 PM
It seems to me that you should defend yourself with the knife you know, and in this case, that knife would be the Civilian. You could keep it for a while, as it may appreciate in value, but I don't like knives that do nothing but sit around; so my first move would be to sell it.

Vincent
06-17-2006, 01:54 PM
I only like the high end emersons and even then they arent amazing. I say get rid of it.

Gerard Breuker
06-17-2006, 04:20 PM
No matter what style, the goal is to win.

I couldn't agree more but there are different ways to win and these ways lead to different styles including the knives that go with them. In the end it comes down to a personal choice based on preferences, skills etc.
You are familiair with the Civilian and compare it to the karambit based on your preferences, skills etc. Someone familiair with the karambit may find the Civilian to long and lacking the ring or find it less suited for closing in on your opponent. From his or her perspective valid observations IMO and that led me to stating you can't compare the knives in general without considering the style.

HoB
06-17-2006, 05:18 PM
The Emerson Karambit has always been the only knife in the Emerson line that has really ever interested...so I wouldn't sell it, but I am a user. If you don't use it, at least once in a while, get rid of it......this is of course my personal perspective which is vastly different from that of a collector.

Zac
06-17-2006, 05:57 PM
I couldn't agree more but there are different ways to win and these ways lead to different styles including the knives that go with them. In the end it comes down to a personal choice based on preferences, skills etc.
You are familiair with the Civilian and compare it to the karambit based on your preferences, skills etc. Someone familiair with the karambit may find the Civilian to long and lacking the ring or find it less suited for closing in on your opponent. From his or her perspective valid observations IMO and that led me to stating you can't compare the knives in general without considering the style.

Makes sense

Dr. Snubnose
06-19-2006, 01:46 PM
I'd sell it or trade it for a Waved Endura...if your not going to use...Doc :D

Zac
06-23-2006, 08:27 PM
so the votes are even, do i sell or keep!?

WORKER#9
06-23-2006, 08:46 PM
I carry one! I like the grip and blade angle. For me it is a perfect fit in the hand. Very concealable when deployed. Very powerful in use for it's size.

Jimd
06-25-2006, 06:35 PM
I love Emersons, but have never been a karambit fan. If you don't like it, trade it for a Spydie, another Emerson, or something else of your liking.

smcfalls13
06-25-2006, 07:22 PM
With the votes pretty much dead even, I'd say keep it. You can always change your mind and sell it later. But if you sell it now, you can't change you mind later.

bigcat
06-25-2006, 11:11 PM
ZAC...I vote to keep it. You might grow to like it and have to buy another one. It looks like a pretty cool knife.

BigCat

CopilotATS-55
06-26-2006, 11:02 AM
Sell it and buy a Nonwaved CQC-7 :D